Shoot farms in Alberta

I have zero interest in partaking, but I'm actually all for it. One way or another, an animal raised for meat dies. Also, I much prefer seeing native species ranched, and if canned hunts for Americanos or city slickers with cash to burn means an angle to make native species profitable that's fantastic. People say it means less habitat- yea, but these replace cattle, a non-native, invasive species though we never see them that way. Americans won't pay to shoot cows, but elk, yes.

The ranched elk either dies to a cattlekiller, sledge hammer, or a bullet. None of us as hunters feel a bullet is unethical as a means of putting an animal down, so the issue is not the method, it's the practice. I'll smirk at high fence hunters, and salute the rancher- he found a good angle to make what should be living here pay. Hope it works out.
 
I would pay money to BUY an elk (or turky, pig, buffalo, ostrich, steer) off a farm. ( even if I have to shoot it, gut it and haul it away)

I would not pay money to SHOOT it.

Big difference between those two things, the former is food the latter is just sad.



I simply don't like the kind of people that partake in these kinds of "hunts" for glory.
 
I don't see the problem here. While this type of thing is definately not for me, I think it is good for the economy. If rich Americans want to dump a fistload of dollars into our pockets, then let them. All this is is bragging rights, who cares. As long as the animal is not wasted, then I do not see the difference between this and going to the grocery store.
 
bearkilr said:
Perhaps that's a legitimate concern, I don't know the Alberta laws. Legally, a farmer can't even sell a beef cow in Manitoba and have it shot/butchered on his own farm, a completely retarded law if you ask me.
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I'm sure glad it's not that way here. I make 2-4 times as much $ selling a beef at the farm gate as I do selling it at SLS (auction house). And if someone wanted to "stalk" the old girl through the corrals and put a bullet in her head I'd happily charge an additional trophy/hunting fee. I can't see any logical reason for it being different if it was an elk.
 
scott_r said:
A few year back I was at the gun range near Bethune SK doing some shooting and up rolled 2 black GMC yukons with about 8 guys getting out of both. They were all in camo and and all had 300 ultra mags or bigger. I never saw these guys before and asked them were they were from...TEXAS the one guy said in a condescending tone. We're here to elk hunt. They were doing the canned hunt thing and were quite proud they were going to kill a trophy bull, each one of them.
I couldn't stand their attitude directed at me, their lack of respect for the range and that they called this penned kill a "hunt"...I left quite quick.
These guys are slim balls who opt for this kind of non sense. They are usually rich, want to brag everything up to buddies and lazy. They want the instant gratification of taking a trophy animal with as little work as possible.
The farmers who participate are no different from a street whore selling their bodies IMHO and I have as much respect for them as the slob hunters who pay them. It roots down to money, greed and self centerdness.
These idiots destroyed our trophy mule deer population in certain areas as well as giving "genuine" hunters a terrible rap.
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Perfectly stated. Just because you have the $$$ doesn't mean you can buy yourself the title of being the worlds greatest hunter. Hey bubba go out and earn your game the honest way. Just because you can pay for a prostitute doesn't make you a Don Juan
 
Ardent said:
I have zero interest in partaking, but I'm actually all for it. One way or another, an animal raised for meat dies. Also, I much prefer seeing native species ranched, and if canned hunts for Americanos or city slickers with cash to burn means an angle to make native species profitable that's fantastic. People say it means less habitat- yea, but these replace cattle, a non-native, invasive species though we never see them that way. Americans won't pay to shoot cows, but elk, yes.

The ranched elk either dies to a cattlekiller, sledge hammer, or a bullet. None of us as hunters feel a bullet is unethical as a means of putting an animal down, so the issue is not the method, it's the practice. I'll smirk at high fence hunters, and salute the rancher- he found a good angle to make what should be living here pay. Hope it works out.
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You said it right, if some farmer paid to put up the fence, what he does to make a buck is none of our concern.
 
As it does help a local guy generate income it does nothing to help the local hunters get rid of the stigma that we are all butchers and killers just for the sake of killing animals, we are fighting an uphill battle as it is.

I would prefer if the local guys raised the animal and shipped it live where the "hunter" can have all the glory in their own back yard.

Like I said, if you are just there for the "kill" go work at a slaughter house.
 
1. Disease, and the danger of it infecting the wild herds. (like cwd and tb)

2. RAMP backers; since it's perfectly fine for "ranchers" to own elk/deer and sell the rights to hunt them, why can't current leaseholders of public land sell the right to hunt the wild herds?

You can disagree with my second concern all you like, if you don't believe the hardcore ramp backers think that you're fooling yourself. I had this conversation with many of them (sw AB ranches) decades ago and it is EXACTLY how they think, it's their wet dream.
 
Suka said:
2. RAMP backers; since it's perfectly fine for "ranchers" to own elk/deer and sell the rights to hunt them, why can't current leaseholders of public land sell the right to hunt the wild herds?
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The difference between these two situations is that the farmer paid for the animal and paid to raise it as his livestock on his property. The lease holders do f**k all towards maintaining and raising the wild game.

I am not against the idea of canned "hunting" if people want to spend big $$$ to simply shoot an animal. It is in no way hunting, but it does bring in money for the local farmers and economy. That said, we have to be very careful of a slippery slope that results in #2 above. The elk farmers already screwed us out of our TB free status, so we all should be aware of possible unintended consequences with this next change.

Mark
 
Alberta is now home to 50,000 plus misplaced Texans who's only "hunting experiance" has been on a high fence ranch in a elevated shooting house over looking a corn feeder on a timer

It's no if but rather when it becomes the "norm" in Alberta.
 
mmattockx said:
The difference between these two situations is that the farmer paid for the animal and paid to raise it as his livestock on his property. The lease holders do f**k all towards maintaining and raising the wild game.

I am not against the idea of canned "hunting" if people want to spend big $$$ to simply shoot an animal. It is in no way hunting, but it does bring in money for the local farmers and economy. That said, we have to be very careful of a slippery slope that results in #2 above. The elk farmers already screwed us out of our TB free status, so we all should be aware of possible unintended consequences with this next change.

Mark
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The "farmer" also paid for the animal under the known rules at the time.

Because the market dropped out on the velvet, does not mean they should have the rules bent for their own specific betterment at the potential devastation to natural populations of Elk.

And as for not caring whether guys come and shoot penned animals - we all should be concerned. There may be a day that the public perception towards hunting (the general public will likely not make the distinctions) is such that what we all enjoy as hunters is increasingly threatened.
 
I'd love to find a farm selling wild boar. Course I want to take one with a knife. Here in canada that's not something I can go out and do just anywhere. If a farmer could raise a wild boar to a 125-150lbs why should I not be able to pay a price cut and wrapped and harvest it myself? What about the long time hunter who chased elk all his life but never crossed a trophy should he be denied the chance to harvest a mature animal on a fenced arcerage? I'd personally wouldn't hunt a native species in a pen but some exotic animals would be great experience taking them with non modern ways. I want to knife a boar and I'm risking getting my ass kicked by that boar. Sure I could hit him with a 300 win mag at 200yards but a knife would be fun
 
There is a wild boar farm in Alberta. My buddy wanted me to go on a hunt with him. I will find out where it is and post it.



brybenn said:
I'd love to find a farm selling wild boar. Course I want to take one with a knife. Here in canada that's not something I can go out and do just anywhere. If a farmer could raise a wild boar to a 125-150lbs why should I not be able to pay a price cut and wrapped and harvest it myself? What about the long time hunter who chased elk all his life but never crossed a trophy should he be denied the chance to harvest a mature animal on a fenced arcerage? I'd personally wouldn't hunt a native species in a pen but some exotic animals would be great experience taking them with non modern ways. I want to knife a boar and I'm risking getting my ass kicked by that boar. Sure I could hit him with a 300 win mag at 200yards but a knife would be fun
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Next stop is the Calgary Zoo to complete the "Big Five".........................been to Mayerthorpe AB as spectator on a wild boar" hunt" and it was like walking in, locate him, execute him outing.They have no fear of man and can be nasty..............not for me.....JMO..Harold...........PS the meat was rancid
 
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brybenn said:
I'd love to find a farm selling wild boar. Course I want to take one with a knife. Here in canada that's not something I can go out and do just anywhere. If a farmer could raise a wild boar to a 125-150lbs why should I not be able to pay a price cut and wrapped and harvest it myself? What about the long time hunter who chased elk all his life but never crossed a trophy should he be denied the chance to harvest a mature animal on a fenced arcerage? I'd personally wouldn't hunt a native species in a pen but some exotic animals would be great experience taking them with non modern ways. I want to knife a boar and I'm risking getting my ass kicked by that boar. Sure I could hit him with a 300 win mag at 200yards but a knife would be fun
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I have dumped a few beef and butchered them. Never once did I consider it a hunt.

To each there own.

If you really feel tough (or crazy)there are places in the US that guys hunt boars with knives currently. I think it may be a damn good hedge against growing old :)
 
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