Shooters Arms vs Sig production process

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So I bought a SAM 1911 and I really like it. It is a great value. There's a youtube video of the production process.

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For those who ask what the difference is between a value pistol and a high end pistol, compare it to the SIG production process.

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so many people through the SAM process whereas in the SIG you see a lot of robots doing certain things....very different approach.
Another thing to notice, how clean the SIG process is, from the the worker's apron/gloves/desk/tools in comparison to Sam. One looks like year 2025 the other is like an episode of game of thrones with very old casting and forging techniques.
 
The 2 SAMs I have were very tight and properly fit....you can tell there is a lot of hand fitting and care put into these builds.
 
Sig doesn't make the Squito, but it does show that they are concerned with profits over quality sticking their name on it!
You have a smallish company like SAM that employs hundreds of people and strive to turn out a high quality product to establish their name, vs an established company like SIG sullying their quality name by sticking it on junk.... Lol
Should be a dirty process building a 1911....that's the way they were originally made. I got a kick out of the WD40 cans all over the SAM vid....assembly lube lol
 
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I had a Stainless Commander Enhanced 9 MM and I thought it was fit very well. I also owned 5 STI pistols in the past and had a quality control problem with at least 4 of em....just sayin.
 
True, that. When a company puts their name on something they are putting their reputation behind it. Why else would you be loyal to a brand if not for the reputation?

I don't see myself buying another 1911, but I'd recommend SAM to anyone. Got the Omega 9mm myself. Just needed a lighter main spring to help the trigger pull, and I'm going to keep my eyes open for a good used adjustable Novak style sight
 
You can barely tell those are mostly under-aged sweat-shop workers at the SAM plant. No wonder they are half the price. You can save a lot of money when you use slave labour.
 
They're not slaves. They are gainfully employed people. There obviously isn't better work to be had or they would probably be doing it. Now in the Chinese labor camps, that is a different story. I initially was going to buy Norc but given the jump in quality with minimal increase in cost, it seemed like a no-brainer to me.

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yohann160 said:
You can barely tell those are mostly under-aged sweat-shop workers at the SAM plant. No wonder they are half the price. You can save a lot of money when you use slave labour.
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The SAM video makes me want to buy another one.

I'm very impressed with the level of craftsmanship I saw in that video.

THAT is a country with a strong firearms building tradition. Amazing to think that companies like SAM started as illegal firearms manufacturing black market enterprises.

I'm pretty excited about the video I just watched...
 
Anyone care to guess which one is closer to the way Colt makes 1911's? Yup, the Colt plant is a lot closer to the SAM plant than the Sig plant. Building a proper 1911 is a hand and eye proposition - incidentally, Wilson's is closer to SAM as well, nobody knocks them for their "antiquated" production. Skilled people make good guns, and I'm sure the folks at Sig would agree.
 
This is like comparing a Hyundai against Acura or Lexus. SIG will always have overall advantage in build quality but will cost you about twice compared to a SAM. The only advantage going to SAM is the hand-fitting wherein they can make some minor adjustments in fitting the slide to frame. There will always be manufacturing tolerances when it comes to mass production involving machines. SAM firearms has proven the fact that a small country like Philippines can take a known firearm manufacturer toe-to-toe with the right tools and materials. My only concern with SAM so as Armscor and Metro Arms is the quality of the metal they use. You will notice that the frame and slide is heavier than a Colt, STI and the rest of 1911s. They are ordnance grade steel, but might not be as good as the rest. Parts interchangeability may also require some minor fitting. But this is also true with the rest of 1911s. Overall value: Very good. Quality: Good Reliability: Good Cost: Very Good-to-Excellent Definitely notches above Norcs.
 
I found the SAM MIM and cast parts to be very good too, I'd take them over STI or any other MIM/cast stuff we can get here.
 
Hyundais and Acuras would both be made on modern lines. The SAM is made in a shop with pretty basic tools. Note the toothbrush, pan of water, and hardware store can of WD40. Also note that there are lots of rounds of presumably live ammo getting cycled through the SAM action.

The Philippines is a small country? It is about 80% the size of Germany, and about four times the size of both Austria and the Czech Republic. Population-wise it is not even close to a small country.

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ambishooter said:
This is like comparing a Hyundai against Acura or Lexus. SIG will always have overall advantage in build quality but will cost you about twice compared to a SAM. The only advantage going to SAM is the hand-fitting wherein they can make some minor adjustments in fitting the slide to frame. There will always be manufacturing tolerances when it comes to mass production involving machines. SAM firearms has proven the fact that a small country like Philippines can take a known firearm manufacturer toe-to-toe with the right tools and materials. My only concern with SAM so as Armscor and Metro Arms is the quality of the metal they use. You will notice that the frame and slide is heavier than a Colt, STI and the rest of 1911s. They are ordnance grade steel, but might not be as good as the rest. Parts interchangeability may also require some minor fitting. But this is also true with the rest of 1911s. Overall value: Very good. Quality: Good Reliability: Good Cost: Very Good-to-Excellent Definitely notches above Norcs.
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Seen the sig factory video before... Thought the shooters arms vid was fascinating... That's a lot of hand work...I guess when the power goes out they can still keep manufacturing guns... Thanks for posting..
 
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