shooting diagnostic

this is my first accurate rifle, i cant comment on how i shot with my m14 since the grouping is too wide. I bought a cant level just in case... And I need practice ! maybe its simply my sight is off!
 
curseyou said:
I breathe through my nose or mouth not my eyes, but whatever works best for you is fine :D . My suggestion about closing your EYES for 30 seconds is that the natural wiggles in an unnatural shooting position creep up the longer you are not actively adjusting to stay on target. If you are muscling the rifle into position, 30 seconds or longer will show you the change in the point of aim if you do not have a good natural point of aim.
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If you are shooting a fullbore prone match, you only have 1 minute to fire the shot when it it your turn to shoot. Alignment need to be checked for every shot after you mount the rifle. In the 30 seconds you have your eyes closed the wind has changed twice. Your aligment need to be perfect on your exhale and you need to be able to do it quickly. If you exhale and hold it for 30 seconds you will end up with a poor sight picture and so much pulse in your sling you will be luck it hit the black let alone the bull or V Bull.

I coached a cadet team for years, they shoot on a 10 bull target. They need to reposition and align after every shot. They get 30 minutes to fire unlimited sighters and 20 shots for score, they do not have time to take 30 seconds to get perfect alignment on 20 diagrams.
 
When people have unexplainable variations in shooting patterns, from my experience, it is almost always due to parallax. The reason is because less than 1 percent of scoped rifle shooters really understand what it is. Most people describe parallax simply as focus but that is not what parallax is.

For example, try YouTubing it... Out of 20 hits maybe 2 will explain it as anything more than focus, but poorly.

To rule out parallax, I need a detailed description from the shooter of what his procedure is for eliminating parallax when the rifle was set up for the shot. If the shooter is properly adjusting for parallax, then we move on to the next most likely explanations.
 
maynard said:
If you are shooting a fullbore prone match, you only have 1 minute to fire the shot when it it your turn to shoot. Alignment need to be checked for every shot after you mount the rifle. In the 30 seconds you have your eyes closed the wind has changed twice. Your aligment need to be perfect on your exhale and you need to be able to do it quickly. If you exhale and hold it for 30 seconds you will end up with a poor sight picture and so much pulse in your sling you will be luck it hit the black let alone the bull or V Bull.

I coached a cadet team for years, they shoot on a 10 bull target. They need to reposition and align after every shot. They get 30 minutes to fire unlimited sighters and 20 shots for score, they do not have time to take 30 seconds to get perfect alignment on 20 diagrams.
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I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I wasn't proposing a competition shooting technique, just a diagnostic technique for his particular problem.
 
While parallax is also possible, if that we're the issue, wouldn't you see much larger groups, not a repeatable tight clustering to the left? Any variation in eye alignment would move the apparent position of the target. If parallax was the issue, then this guy has a GREAT cheek weld to keep it so repeatably to the left without horizontal stringing. I can't say no definitively, but it looks unlikely to me.
 
Parallax can be checked by moving head around to see if the crosshairs is moving, mine was dead on the spot and does not move. It shouldn't be a problem.
 
BadAsMo said:
When people have unexplainable variations in shooting patterns, from my experience, it is almost always due to parallax. The reason is because less than 1 percent of scoped rifle shooters really understand what it is.
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+1
BadAsMo said:
Most people describe parallax simply as focus but that is not what parallax is.
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+1 again to that. It certainly doesn't help that some scope manufacturers, who really ought to know better (cough Leupold cough) label the side parallax adjustment knob as "FOCUS".... stupid idiots!!!

BadAsMo said:
I need a detailed description from the shooter of what his procedure is for eliminating parallax when the rifle was set up for the shot. If the shooter is properly adjusting for parallax, then we move on to the next most likely explanations.
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d1ce said:
Parallax can be checked by moving head around to see if the crosshairs is moving, mine was dead on the spot and does not move. It shouldn't be a problem.
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@d1ce, sounds like you have correctly dialled out your parallax.
 
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