Shooting Experience of A Lifetime

Brutus said:
That's nothing. Try a 50 BMG from a Ferrett upper onto an AR-15 lower. (!17 lbs!)
A whopping 22 inches of barrel & all the muzzle blast & recoil you can eat.
It wasn't mine and I adhere to the same policy as daddylonglegs.
My FN Mauser action in 458x2inch American, is my upper comfort zone for 15-20 rounds off a bench and trying for accuracy, thank you very much.
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Not true, blast yes, recoil no for the Ferret. The massive brake pulls the recoil down relatively sedate levels, the AR15 stock, receiver, and pin connection system can't handle (truly) heavy recoil, it wasn't built for it. .458x2" is a just a .45-70 by another name, also a tame cartridge. Nothing wrig with that being your upper threshold, just making a point of the fact the Ferret and .458x2" likely aren't even producing a third of the felt recoil (subjective) of a unbraked .460.
 
I ran into a fella in Spruce Grove a few times who had a collection of double rifles. He always had a 1/2doz there when I ran into him. I got to shoot likely 15 different calibres minimum, from 318 Westley-Richards to a 577NE.
He had some nice stuff, 404Jeffery, 416Rigby, 450NE, .470NE, a 505Gibbs.
That was a treat running into him. Definitely made me appreciate my 32-40.
It did inspire me to buy a 450-400NE though, on a Ruger #1, can't afford those nice English guns.
 
Ardent said:
Not true, blast yes, recoil no for the Ferret. The massive brake pulls the recoil down relatively sedate levels, the AR15 stock, receiver, and pin connection system can't handle (truly) heavy recoil, it wasn't built for it. .458x2" is a just a .45-70 by another name, also a tame cartridge. Nothing wrig with that being your upper threshold, just making a point of the fact the Ferret and .458x2" likely aren't even producing a third of the felt recoil (subjective) of a unbraked .460.
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The early one I shot did not have the 'fishgill' or 'can' type muzzlebrake design that Ferrett puts on thier rifles now. I can give only brief impressions as this was not my rifle. And I only fired it three times about 5 or 6 years ago. This rifle had so much recoil from the bench when one person shot it, it went out of his grasp and only the owner's swift responce prevented it from falling to the ground. Not like anything you see on youtube with these rifles recently. From then onwards this rifle was only shot from the prone position.
I describe the brake as taking a 1.5 inch cylinder about 2.5 to 3 inches long (or call it a pipe of sorts) and it had a mounting hole in it's very centre and mounted 90' degrees to the bore. A mounting hole for the rifle muzzle, where a beer label would be attached on a beer can. The two open ends (left and right) had an angular cut to deflect blast, and of course an exit hole. And that was it. To further help reduce felt recoil, lead was mounted inside the buttstock.
I'm unsure if this was aftermarket or a very early 'windrunner?' muzzle brake design.
This type of muzzlebrake is not presently displayed or marketed on thier website.
My first impression was, that it's very odd looking for such an energetic chambering.

I do not have any personal experience with unbraked 460s. I have launched alot of slugs out of Ithaca M37s, and I would say this rifle had easily three times the recoil effect, my impression.

just saying
 
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Did you hit what you shot at? How many rounds did you fire? Do you think you could shoot the .460 Weatherby in the role of a general purpose rifle, meaning can you shoot it from positions other than standing and hit game sized targets out to 300 yards? My limit for a rifle in that role appears to be a heavy loaded .416 Rigby, but then neither have I attempted to work beyond that level when shooting prone, and I found 3 shots of .416 Rigby from prone is distinctly enough. I'm doubt I could manage another 150 grs of bullet weight at a similar velocity which for me anyway limits the .460 Weatherby to the realm of a specialty round. From the point of comparison, my .375 Ultra produces about 55 ft/lbs, the Rigby about 70, and the .500 NE I used in Tanzania about the same as the Rigby due to the heavier rifle. The .460 Weatherby by my calculation produces 112 ft/lbs in a 9 pound rifle, or about double the recoil of my .375 Ultra.
 
I am not yet ready for the Good Lord to take me home..........so I think I shall pass, if given the opportunity to shoot one of these.

OK, I'm lying, I probably couldn't help myself............. :rolleyes:
 
Brutus said:
The early one I shot did not have the 'fishgill' or 'can' type muzzlebrake design that Ferrett puts on thier rifles now. I can give only brief impressions as this was not my rifle. And I only fired it three times about 5 or 6 years ago. This rifle had so much recoil from the bench when one person shot it, it went out of his grasp and only the owner's swift responce prevented it from falling to the ground. Not like anything you see on youtube with these rifles recently. From then onwards this rifle was only shot from the prone position.
I describe the brake as taking a 1.5 inch cylinder about 2.5 to 3 inches long (or call it a pipe of sorts) and it had a mounting hole in it's very centre and mounted 90' degrees to the bore. A mounting hole for the rifle muzzle, where a beer label would be attached on a beer can. The two open ends (left and right) had an angular cut to deflect blast, and of course an exit hole. And that was it. To further help reduce felt recoil, lead was mounted inside the buttstock.
I'm unsure if this was aftermarket or a very early 'windrunner?' muzzle brake design.
This type of muzzlebrake is not presently displayed or marketed on thier website.
My first impression was, that it's very odd looking for such an energetic chambering.

I do not have any personal experience with unbraked 460s. I have launched alot of slugs out of Ithaca M37s, and I would say this rifle had easily three times the recoil effect, my impression.

just saying
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I'm very familiar with the style of brake you mention, it's actually a very effective design. I would expect the rifle to jump, certainly, though a .460 Weatherby can literally cartwheel itself off into the acreage if not held properly, and do so violently at that. You also wouldn't ever be shooting a .460 prone, at least not me. I'm not belittling the Ferret experience, but saying by straight fact it definitely wouldn't have compared to an unbraked .460. If those sorts of recoil forces were put through an AR15 receiver I'm certain the pins would shear, at the very least there would be a sloppy mess of a rifle agglomeration after firing wiggling about the upper/lower union. I wouldn't have much faith in the AR15 pins much above 40 ft-lbs, maybe 50, (.375 H&H and just over levels) and were talking near 120ft-lbs. Just whole different worlds, a lot of folks think .300 Mag kicks, but really not so much.
 
The 460 Weatherby is my Brother's favorite Bison rifle and he has had several one-shot kills. According to him it is a lot more manageable than his 505 Gibbs, 510 Wells, or his 505 Jeffery.
Living in the Yukon his season is in January or February with temperatures usually very cold so a quick kill is essential.
 
Brutus said:
...I describe the brake as taking a 1.5 inch cylinder about 2.5 to 3 inches long (or call it a pipe of sorts) and it had a mounting hole in it's very centre and mounted 90' degrees to the bore. A mounting hole for the rifle muzzle, where a beer label would be attached on a beer can. The two open ends (left and right) had an angular cut to deflect blast, and of course an exit hole....
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Sounds like a JP Enterprise brake. See jprifles.com.

:) Stuart
 
I touched off a .458WinMag once in Fernie when I was a scrawny kid about 13 yrs old. I can only imagine the boot you'd get with a .460Wby. I shoot for pleasure not punishment, but if you're a masochist, have at 'er.
 
Ardent said:
I'm very familiar with the style of brake you mention, it's actually a very effective design. I would expect the rifle to jump, certainly, though a .460 Weatherby can literally cartwheel itself off into the acreage if not held properly, and do so violently at that. You also wouldn't ever be shooting a .460 prone, at least not me. I'm not belittling the Ferret experience, but saying by straight fact it definitely wouldn't have compared to an unbraked .460. If those sorts of recoil forces were put through an AR15 receiver I'm certain the pins would shear, at the very least there would be a sloppy mess of a rifle agglomeration after firing wiggling about the upper/lower union. I wouldn't have much faith in the AR15 pins much above 40 ft-lbs, maybe 50, (.375 H&H and just over levels) and were talking near 120ft-lbs. Just whole different worlds, a lot of folks think .300 Mag kicks, but really not so much.
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I have a hard time imagining the .375 H&H prone. Sitting, kneeling, or standing with sticks, but not prone. I bet that would hurt. I'll have to try it sometime, but watch my collar bone!
 
I'm by no means recoil shy and can shoot 375 H&H or my current 375 Ruger all day without developing flinches, same goes for my 458 WinMag. Also shot a 470 NE double, no problems there.
I have shot both a 378 and 460 Wby. some time ago, both were very unpleasant to shoot. The 378 wasn't a "push" like the H&H or Ruger, more like an upper cut from Tyson or a 338 WinMag in a 5 lb. rifle.
The 460 was just plain nasty, and it was a very pricey Reimer Johannsen custom.
 
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