Shooting Glasses and lens colors

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I was at a Trap shoot this weekend and we were discussing lens colors, glasses...etc and a couple of guys disagreed about a point that I found interesting and thought I knew the answer to, but now I am not sure.

When shooting trap ( orange targets) do you want to use a lense that opens the pupil wide or one that closes the pupil tight ??

It was very sunny and hot all weekend and I was using my dark bronze lens. This lens really enhances the color of the target and darkens the background on these bright sunny days. Lots of other shooters were using the same color but some were using a light purple or and even a light vermillion ( red).

The colors I am refering to can be found on this site:
Ranger Bronze #50 ( I was using)
Light Purple #47 and Vermillion #46 were the other colors.
http://www.randolphusa.com/GWW-RandolphEngineering/DisplayPage.aspx?pageid=196

Now I shoot using Browning Superlighting Glasses and they did not come with a purple ( although I would like one). The bronze would open the pupil being that it is dark and the other two colors would close it being that they are lighter.

I was told once to use the lightest color you can without sqinting ??

I don't know what is right anymore.....:confused: ;)

Jacky
 
This is one question that I've never heard come up before. Thinking it over I don't believe it matters whether your pupil is more open or closed. What does matter is that the lens colour makes the target more visible depending on the background and lighting conditions.

I use Decots and have light medium target orange for overcast days and their V-Lite 2 which is a darker vermillion for sunny days and often in winter when there's a lot of glare off the snow. These colours work well with my eye on orange targets against green backgrounds or open sky.

I like Bronze sunglasses and as my eyeglass prescription probably needs updating I'll probably add a bronze lens with my next set of Decots.
 
According to Bud Decot you want the pupil at its largest for better vision, depth per., etc. and he also says to use the lightest shade possible to accomplish this.
 
I was always a big fan of Oakley's Persimmon for bright light and a light yellow to cut through flat light/fog. This served me well for years shooting International Trap - I never really felt the need for anything else, and nothing else felt as comfortable to my eyes.

-M
 
I shoot ranger bronze on sunny days, vermillion on medium days, and clears on all others. I like colours that mute greens and blues and make orange pop. The only time I have seen guys use light purple is at dusk. My buddy shoots with HIDEFSPEX and they are one colour in two shades, light bronze and dark bronze...so if the most expensive lense that claims to be HI DEF is a variation of bronze...I tend to think that is the best colour choice.
But the CMT ranger lenses are a teal colour....ARGHHH!!! who knows!
 
:p As in photography, the smaller aperture or the smallest pupil gives you the best depth of field. I have had a heck of a time this year with vison at a number of shoote where they threw orange birds into the clouds or black targets in woods. As a prescription user, I had Bollé lenses with an insert. I met the Hidefspex people at the World FITASC. I was very cynical about a bronze lense in several densities. I met the P of Hydefspex in RI at the Great Eastern. I tried out the Panther (King George Digweed uses it for another World title!). It really brings out the orange targets. I bought the Panther kit including the prescription insert. I used them at the Vt state shoot in the rain. After fogging them up with too much raingear, I shot the othr half of the course with only the shooting vest. I saw every target wether black or orange in the rain, in the woods or in the sky!:) I shot the course at La Roue with green, white, black and orange targets. Everyone stood out! I could see every target.

I was so impressed, I took the line for Canada. I offer the whole line at par(US=CDN$) delivered to your door direct from the US. Visit the site at http://www.hidefspex.com
Send me a PM for the order.

Henry;)
 
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well we have a discrepcency (sp?) here. One the one hand....

Bud Decot you want the pupil at its largest for better vision, depth per., etc. and he also says to use the lightest shade possible to accomplish this.
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and on the other hand....
As in photography, the smaller aperture or the smallest pupil gives you the best depth of field.
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and this was the debate at the shoot. I always thought the Bud Decot, large pupil...was right but the photography idea seems logical as well ???


Jacky
 
Based on the physics of light, it's the smallest aperture that gives the greatest depth of field - in your eye, in a diffraction experiment, and in a camera.

HOWEVER, some argue that knocking down the background brightness - if you can still keep the target glowing, as it does with the purple Decot lenses - is ideal because of contrast. It really depends on how well your eyes track and adjust depth-wise.

Remember that focusing at distance is passive while focusing near is active - it's quicker to gaze out into the field and bring your eyes IN to the target, whereas looking in and focusing OUT as it moves away is limited by how quickly your lens relaxes when muscular pressure is released. Since it's MUCH faster to pull your focus in, you can compensate for lack of field depth by hanging your eyes out an extra 20 yards before calling for the bird.

It's a finnicky thing, but that's why there's the adage "to each his own".

-M
 
I'm inclined to lean towards the Decot theory myself. Any Optometrists around????

I always thought the larger the pupil...the more light allowed in resulting in better vision. Isn't that why the pupils dilate...or open up in the dark?

I would think one would want a color that would allow their pupils to be opened up as wide as possible allowing as much light in as possible....without causing discomfort or resulting in squinting because of glares or the surroundings being too bright. While at the same time providing as much contrast as possible between the color of the target and the surroundings or background. "shrug"
 
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:redface: I mispunched, again! Here is the link:
http://www.hidefspex.com/home.html
The lenses are a bit of both worlds when it comes to pupil dilation. The lenses seem to optimise orange using various density according to the light available. I have used them in overcast and rain (40 LTM) and light overcast (25 LTM). The 40 LTM worked very well for orange in the sky, black in woods and both white and green targets in a green background. Orange targets did play games with very white clouds and orange targets that had sun on them. But for once, I did not miss seeing them or hitting them. I will try the 15LTM next time on white clouds.:)

Canadian at par and an extra 10% for Sporting Clays Canada members.:dancingbanana:

Best regards,
Henry;)
 
JAcky

If you can find one check the Feb 2006 Skeet Shooting Review magazine. Apparently there's a good article in there by Todd Bender and an Optometrist/competetive skeet shooter. May find your answers there.
 
:p ClayshootingUSA has a feature by Tom Ceretto about Hidefspex. Some of the top World clay shooters are using them including: Bruce Ney,Anthony Matarese Jr and King George Digweed (Number one World Sporting and FITASC shooter). George Digweed comments:"I personally have never seen lenses capable of producing definition and colour enhancement the way Diamond Vision lenses do". "They keep the background neutral in order"

Best regards,
Henry;)
 
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