Shooting matches
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You definitley need the temp ATT to take the firearms from your home to the point of crossing and back....So make sure you stick to a planned route for your boarder crossing there and back.....not sure about the US forms though
You definitley need the temp ATT to take the firearms from your home to the point of crossing and back....So make sure you stick to a planned route for your boarder crossing there and back.....not sure about the US forms though
You can also request yuor ATT include trips to the gunsmith, and to all border points IF your Ontario CFO will issue your ATT that way. This is standard here in BC and Alberta as well I believe. Saves asking for a STATT. I would be writing my MP if the CFO refused your request.
When you fill out the US forms remember to include the length of the guns you are bringing into the US. When I did mine this spring the cursor would not fline up with the guns I was listing and I had to ink the lengths on to the form by hand. You can bring in up to 5,000 rds IIRC so be generous with the number you oinclude. I think I listed 2,000 rds on my application split between 9MM, .40cal and .45acp.
The form is good for a year. The first time I sent mine in it took about six weeks to return. This year it was about three weeks there and back.
The American form is substantially easier to fill in then the Canadian forms required of the Americans.
Take Care
Bob
When you fill out the US forms remember to include the length of the guns you are bringing into the US. When I did mine this spring the cursor would not fline up with the guns I was listing and I had to ink the lengths on to the form by hand. You can bring in up to 5,000 rds IIRC so be generous with the number you oinclude. I think I listed 2,000 rds on my application split between 9MM, .40cal and .45acp.
The form is good for a year. The first time I sent mine in it took about six weeks to return. This year it was about three weeks there and back.
The American form is substantially easier to fill in then the Canadian forms required of the Americans.
Take Care
Bob
Third hand Knowledge
I know it is hearsay, but my Restricted course instructor said that the Ontario CFO will not give you an ATT for multiple places like gunsmiths and boarders.... Though I hope he is wrong, so if anyone knows differently, PLEASE contradict me, it would be the best news I have heard in a while.
Unfortunately, things tend to be tighter here in Onterrible than in BC and AB.
I know it is hearsay, but my Restricted course instructor said that the Ontario CFO will not give you an ATT for multiple places like gunsmiths and boarders.... Though I hope he is wrong, so if anyone knows differently, PLEASE contradict me, it would be the best news I have heard in a while.
Unfortunately, things tend to be tighter here in Onterrible than in BC and AB.
Yup.
What you will do is fax a note to the ontario CFO saying you would like an att for ports of entry/exit. List the border crossings you think you'll be using... Or as many as you can think of. When you fax your note also fax a copy of your approved F6NIA.. The cfo will send you a border permit valid for the year up to the date your F6NIA expires. Oh, and be sure to list the reg. cert. numbers of the restricted guns you want to take to the border. These #'s will be listed on your Border ATT.
I just email and ask for one...
This is more for the BPO who might ask to see an invite. I assume they could deny you entry if you couldn't show an invite, but it's never happened to me or anyone I know... I don't always have an invite... 'some clubs/MD's won't send 'em.
No need for detail... Just list the country. ie:
Smith & Wesson.... USA
Beretta.................Italy
Walther................Germany
Under "manufacturer" just write your own name and address
Send your F6NIA app. in with a US hunting Lic. and they'll give you one permit good for the year... I go with the Alaska non-res small game lic. $20 and you can buy it online and print it off immediately.
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- Hillbilly shack in the boonies
A friend is down south shooting right now, will inform him of this thread, as he might have very good info for all....
The invite from the club you intend to shoot at must be attached to your application for the US. As an a point of interest IF you get stopped with a handgun/rifle/shotgun in the Eastern US with an Alaskan hunting permit don't be surprised if you run into problems. Easer to get an invite from a shooting club where you are going to shoot.
Take Care
Bob
Take Care
Bob
Green Card from Canadian Customs Office
Read through this website, it is very helpful: http://www.losttarget.com/form6.html
You will need a US club shoot invite if you dont have a valid US State hunting license. Therefore, either of the 2-options will do.
One thing to remember, and I am talking about my experience here in ON, other Ontario shooters who shoot South of the border might disagree with me, but I always make sure I cover my ass legally document-wise. Make sure you obtain a Green Card (Identification of Articles for Temporary Exportation Form) from the Canadian Customs Office the first time you are taking your firearms outside of Canada before crossing the Canadian Border. Fill up this "green card" with the firearms information that you will take with you out of Canada. You will have to physically present the firearms to the Customs officer (at the Custom's office) for their identification and stamp your filled up "Green Card" with the identified list of firearms. You will need to present this green card to Canadian Border Officer, which will identify the firearms you are taking back with you to Canada.
Good luck and enjoy shooting South of the border.
Read through this website, it is very helpful: http://www.losttarget.com/form6.html
You will need a US club shoot invite if you dont have a valid US State hunting license. Therefore, either of the 2-options will do.
One thing to remember, and I am talking about my experience here in ON, other Ontario shooters who shoot South of the border might disagree with me, but I always make sure I cover my ass legally document-wise. Make sure you obtain a Green Card (Identification of Articles for Temporary Exportation Form) from the Canadian Customs Office the first time you are taking your firearms outside of Canada before crossing the Canadian Border. Fill up this "green card" with the firearms information that you will take with you out of Canada. You will have to physically present the firearms to the Customs officer (at the Custom's office) for their identification and stamp your filled up "Green Card" with the identified list of firearms. You will need to present this green card to Canadian Border Officer, which will identify the firearms you are taking back with you to Canada.
Good luck and enjoy shooting South of the border.
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"You will need to present this green card to Canadian Border Officer, which will identify the firearms you are taking back with you to Canada."
Is this something new? If you have your registration certificates with you, your Form 6 and your ATT or in your case the STATT then why would you need to fill in a green card. Your registration certificates should be enough and certainly enough to get back into Canada with the guns.
Take Care
Bob
Is this something new? If you have your registration certificates with you, your Form 6 and your ATT or in your case the STATT then why would you need to fill in a green card. Your registration certificates should be enough and certainly enough to get back into Canada with the guns.
Take Care
Bob
Uh.... no.
I'd be very surprised... If this were the case you wouldn't be let across the border in the first place. Once "in country" noone soone should care about what hunting lic. you had. As long as you have a valid F6NIA your good. Having a hunting lic. just puts you in compliance with the exception requirement required by the batf so they can approve the F6NIA
have a nice day
Read through this website, it is very helpful: http://www.losttarget.com/form6.html
You will need a US club shoot invite if you dont have a valid US State hunting license. Therefore, either of the 2-options will do.
One thing to remember, and I am talking about my experience here in ON, other Ontario shooters who shoot South of the border might disagree with me, but I always make sure I cover my ass legally document-wise. Make sure you obtain a Green Card (Identification of Articles for Temporary Exportation Form) from the Canadian Customs Office the first time you are taking your firearms outside of Canada before crossing the Canadian Border. Fill up this "green card" with the firearms information that you will take with you out of Canada. You will have to physically present the firearms to the Customs officer (at the Custom's office) for their identification and stamp your filled up "Green Card" with the identified list of firearms. You will need to present this green card to Canadian Border Officer, which will identify the firearms you are taking back with you to Canada.
Good luck and enjoy shooting South of the border.
nognog
I respectively disagree about the "Green Card." I shot in Watertown, NY two weekends ago and have been shooting in the USA for a number of years. I don't even have a "Green Card". But I do have my registration certificates for the guns I have with me, to show the Canadian Customs.
I do have a match invite. If you contact the MD and explain why you need an invite, I have never been turned down. I also have a Alaska hunting license, for which I have never been asked.
My ATT, from my house to the border, is good for as long as my N61A form is valid for. I always have to show that coming back into Canada.
US Customs get to know you and I have never had anything but polite, understanding people. They are thorough, business like, but never have given me any hassles.
Agreed, my son and I have been shooting the US for three years and we have what we refer to as our BIBLE, hand that to either US or CAN customs with your passportsand all documentation enclosed in clear sleeves and your golden. Have only ever been verified one time and the officer said he was just curious to see our guns, yes it really is that simple and If you know Kerrie at the CFO's office an ATT for all border crossings in ON, including INTL airports will not be a problem, gl
Sig
Uh Yes. Mine came back because the year wasn't specified on the invite.
If you enclose a copy of your US State Hunting License you are OK to.
There isn't much chance of you being stopped after you enter the US BUT if you are and you tell the cop you have guns in the car, a Form 6 and an Alaskan Hunting License in July you run the risk of the cop deciding you entered the US illegally paricularly if you are on your way to Florida. The US Border people are super nice but your local county Sheriff may not be so understanding. I have a friend who is a NY State Trooper and I know what he would do because we dicussed it at great length on the phone one evening.
Easier to just get an invite from a club.
Take Care
Bob
are you taking your chances in the states without an invitation? I thought not all clubs/MDs will issue one.
Well you won't get your US papers unless you have a curent invitation or a valid hunting license. If I am going to a shoot I get an invitation from the MD. Once you have your Form 6 all you need is a copy of your invite and you get in. Everytime I have crossed the border the US people haven't looked at the Form 6 or the invite letter but they can and from what I have heard, do.
Incidently, your ATT is only good to travel to and from Border points IF you have a valid Form 6.
Anytime I have gone down I tell the US Border Patrol what shoot I am going to and when it is being held and where. Seems to satisfy them as I haven't had a moments trouble from the US Border Patrol. Coming back at the Abbotsford truck crossing I have yet to get the feeling the Cdn. border folks have a clue in a car load what the heck they are doing. Maybe this summer will be different. Last year they asked for my truck keys, disappeared for five minutes and I was on my way. My guns were locked up in a gun case and I had the keys in my pocket so I have no idea what they might have checked.
Take Care
Bob
Doug The Canuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- central Ontario
Actually, when I came back across the border at the end of April, the border official told me I did not need the green card any more.
Technically, you COULD register a long gun from outside Canada, if you were away long enough, but the date of issue would appear on your registration card.
Doug The Canuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- central Ontario
To be valid with ATF, the invitation must have your name on it. It can't be a shoot announcement.Good ol CDN border security
Hopefully it doesn't take too long.
Thanks for everyone's help :0
BTW: Does anyone have the fax number to send this to?
Joe Potosky at Losttartget.com knows more about Form 6s than anyone in North America. If he doesn't know the answer, he can get it. He crosses the border from Plattsburg almost every weekend. Form 6 was the reason for losttartget.com. It is his life's work.
