Shooting No4 Mk1*

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This might be a bit of a dumb question, but I've got a 1945 LB no4 mk1* that was given to me by a friend of my dad's who won it in a shooting competetion as a cadet. My question is, is shooting it at the range a good idea? I'm worried that I'll wear out the barrel or something by over using it.

I'm not putting a crazy number of rounds through it, less than a box a month, it's just so nice to shoot.

Thanks for the input
 
If he doesn't post by the time I'm done typing this "smellie" the Lee Enfield guru will be along to tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the wonderful rifle you have.

In the mean time I will tell you to go ahead and enjoy yourself, you're not going to break it. These things had thousands of rounds put through them during the war.

Have fun.
 
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Smellie's gone to the "sock closet" IC. Some peckerhead pissed him off talking nonsense.
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Sh1t! Smellie popped out of, and subsequently back into, the sock closet for a moment to help a CGNer and we missed 'em...he'll be back.
 
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These rifles are designed to be carried by combat troops in a combat situation. I doubt that you could fire enough rounds through it at the range in your lifetime to seriously hurt it. You have one of the finest rifles made in 1945. Enjoy it.
 
If the rifle is in good shape to begin with, by the time you're done shooting, when it'll be time to pass it along to the next generation, the rifle will still be young and strong. If you take good care of it, of course!
 
This might be a bit of a dumb question, but I've got a 1945 LB no4 mk1* that was given to me by a friend of my dad's who won it in a shooting competetion as a cadet. My question is, is shooting it at the range a good idea? I'm worried that I'll wear out the barrel or something by over using it.

I'm not putting a crazy number of rounds through it, less than a box a month, it's just so nice to shoot.

Thanks for the input

Your barrel has an "
accuracy life" of @7,000 rounds. That just means that the "match grade" accuracy will start to fall out of competition grade levels.

Your barrel should have an @15,000+ round "service life".

To increase the accuracy life of a new .303 barrel:

Stick to flat-base bulleted nitrocelulose (NC) loads or modern commercial ammo.

Don't shoot cordite powdered surplus, MkVIII boat tails, or especially tracer or AP.

Match shooters back "in the day" noted that a rifle fired with cordite wouldn't properly stabilize NC ammunition.

Cordite burns slightly hotter/differently and is more erosive than NC powders - on surplus .303 ammo NC is shown coded as a "Z" - as in ".303 Ball MkVIIZ".

Tracer leaves highly corrosive deposits in the bore, in addition if a misfire or squib occurs, tracer rounds have been known to burn inside the bore hot enough to destroy it.

AP was always noted as being harder on the bore than ball.

Remember to treat ALL surplus ammunition as corrosive. Use a water based bore cleaner to neutralize the priming salts.
 
Thanks LeeEnfield. When you're talking about surplus ammunition, does that include canadian surplus? I've heard that some of the soviet stuff can be very corrosive, but I've got about 300 rounds of canadian stuff, mostly from the 40's and 60's that I'd like to use. Is it ok, if I make sure to clean if properly afterwards?

As for tracer, not an issue, but would blanks be ok?

Mostly I've been shooting commercial factory loads out of it, mainly remington, but I just got my hands on this surplus stuff and I'd like to use it too.

Thanks for your patience with these noob questions.
 
Canadian surplus from the 1940's is corrosive, 60's I'm not too sure but I would treat it as if it were. It's fine to shoot just pour some kettle tea down the bore when your done shooting for the day and then clean normally...Somebody nearby (hint, hint) ought to coax Smellie out of the sock closet with a pizza or something. That guy (Smellie) could tell you where the lead was mined from that they used to make 1916 and a half, mark whatever ball ammo for the Lee Enfield {yea...he's a guru}.
 
Surplus. They made it with two sizes of primer. A real big one and one the same size as your Remington. The real big one is probably corrosive. That is, it leaves salt deposits in the barrel. A pint of hot water down the barrel will wash away the salt. then clean normally. If it has the same primer size as the Remington, just clean normally.
 
When I left Regina, there were two ranges nearby. The Wildlife Federation east of town, and the Wildlife League north. Join whichever works for you and go shooting!
 
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When we say "Corrosive Ammunition," it is generally the primer compound that causes the trouble. A lot of the earlier primers contained substances that attracted water from the moisture in the air, and thus tended to rust a barrel even starting overnight if they were not cleaned. These substances have a similarity to SALT, and need to be flushed out of a barrel before cleaning.

The standard way to clean a Lee-Enfield was to pour two pints of boiling water down the barrel from the breech end, followed by regular cleaning and finishing with a lightly oiled barrel.

The boiling water does three things: it flushes the "salt residue" from the barrel and it heats up the barrel, allowing the microscopic pores in the steel to expand, thus loosens up any residue in them, and third, it helps dry any droplets of water still left inside the barrel because of the heated barrel.. A special funnel, flat on one side, was actually issued for this, but you can easily make one with a STEEL funnel, flatten one side of the lip of it so it sets flush with the rifle, and a short piece of 3/8 inch copper tubing soldered to the spout that you can insert into the chamber.

While Military ammunition is still available, much of it is steel jacket or copper plated ammunition, and as mentioned, corrosive. It is much better to buy modern commercial ammunition, or some of the modern Imported stuff.

Better still, start to reload your own ammunition. For the cost of a half-dozen boxes of the commercial stuff, you should be able to buy a "Starter" reloading kit made by Lee Precision, along with a hundred bullets, a can of powder and a hundred primers. You will use about a half can of powder for 100 target loads, but this will pay for itself within the first three months if you fire a couple of boxes each month. Also, you can "tailor" your loads to your rifle, and get even greater accuracy.
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I did manage to get SMELLIE out of the sock closet for a while last week. I took an old shot-out barrel and a 1/4 inch steel rod with me and rattled the steel rod in the barrel while telling him I was cleaning his Ross rifles because we had fired them with some British B-14 and B-15 Lot ammunition to see if they would jam.

Unfortunately, I had used this ploy on a previous occasion, and he remembered it and the particular sound the rod made in the shot-out bore, so he let us know that he had heard that one before and was not moving.

Then I threatened to clean the bore of his Armaguerro with a BORE SNAKE.

The door flew open, the Cat (at least I think it was the Cat, but it was moving too fast for me to get a good look at it,) zoomed by me and headed for the litter box, where it spent the next 20 minutes, and this hairy apparition advanced through the door of the sock closet and down the hallway in a menacing manner, emitting low fearful growls..

At that point, I began to think that I should have loaded the Long Branch Number 4 Lee Enfield that I had in my hands, and definitely should have read and paid attention to what was posted for advice on those many "BEAR DEFENCE" threads that appear here in these Forums regularly.

Since TWO STEAM was behind me, I gave thought of either trampling her on my exit, or shooting her in the leg and running toward the front door. Either way, SMELLIE would have hopefully exausted his wrath upon her, and would have returned to normal and started making coffee. I could then safely return with the First Aid kit out of the truck and bandge up TWO STEAM.

Thinking quickly, I held up the Number 4 that I had just bought and yelled out " 3L SMELLIE, 3L." At which point, he grabbed it, sniffed it, and went into his bedroom to change his underwear, taking my 3L Series Long Branch with him.

It has been a week since that and I was thinking of visiting him again today, and maybe I can get my 3L Long Branch back. Did some Idiot set him off again since then?
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Bahahahah, Laugh2. ROTFLMAO...f:P:

Q: How many pizza's is it going to cost to get your 3L back. He's not going to just give it to you, you know that right? I don't think anyone has set him off recently, but that last one really pissed him off.

And BTW Buffdog shares the Guru status with Smellie and Ganderite for those that didn't know already. :)
 
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I have 500 rounds of 1964 MK8z that i'm going to shoot in my enfield No4mk1*, i know they are boat tailed, i've talked to a reputable gun smith that said he shoots 8z all the time and i've done a bunch of research on here and everywhere i've read the boat tailed bullets are fine for a rifle but in the vikers machine gun you don't want to switch between MK7 and MK8z due to different erosion properties with higher barrel temps...... this is where i read some of this if your interested
http://www.milsurps.com/archive/index.php/t-29343.html






Your barrel has an "
accuracy life" of @7,000 rounds. That just means that the "match grade" accuracy will start to fall out of competition grade levels.

Your barrel should have an @15,000+ round "service life".

To increase the accuracy life of a new .303 barrel:

Stick to flat-base bulleted nitrocelulose (NC) loads or modern commercial ammo.

Don't shoot cordite powdered surplus, MkVIII boat tails, or especially tracer or AP.

Match shooters back "in the day" noted that a rifle fired with cordite wouldn't properly stabilize NC ammunition.

Cordite burns slightly hotter/differently and is more erosive than NC powders - on surplus .303 ammo NC is shown coded as a "Z" - as in ".303 Ball MkVIIZ".

Tracer leaves highly corrosive deposits in the bore, in addition if a misfire or squib occurs, tracer rounds have been known to burn inside the bore hot enough to destroy it.

AP was always noted as being harder on the bore than ball.

Remember to treat ALL surplus ammunition as corrosive. Use a water based bore cleaner to neutralize the priming salts.
 
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If I were you I would NOT just blow that all away at the range. I would be saving that for special occasions. I know that this is what the rifle is sight in with, but, if you shoot all of the surplus ammo, there will come a time that you will wish that you had saved it.

I would be using modern commercial stuff for plinking until I had a good supply of brass, then make up a handload for it.
 
Beware, you might enjoy it so much, you'll drop 200$ on a workable intro Lee loading kit for 303 Brit... which would be okay...

Advantages: absolutely perfect ammunition, as good as you want to make, guaranteed noncorrosive;

'Dis'advantages: costs time and money.
 
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