shooting pistol on own property

[tiriaq]

As long you are shooting on your own property with the same address as the handgun is registered to, you aren't using your ATT, so it doesn't matter what it says.

There is a difference between your residence, and your property. A restricted firearm is not supposed to leave the residence (or other specified location)without an ATT. Residence is legally defined as a dwelling plus attached structures.
So, the wording of the ATT is important.

 

[Duck_Hunter]

Holy Frig, I think we can all agree that these stupid pieces of paper are completely useless and need to be gotten rid of all together. I just can't seem to wrap my head around why certain people feel these ATT's make our country safer. Or why handguns are so Dangerous we can only shoot them at the range. Rant done.

 

[chrisward3]

I recently checked with my CFO about starting a pistol range on my property. She said as long as I have a valid ATT which also means I have a valid membership at a range then I can go out in my yard (25 acres) and shoot my .22 pistol at a safe backstop. The ATT covers me stepping out my front door. They do not get involved unless I want to start a club with members and then it gets complicated. She is mailing me out suggestions for safe backstops, distances for various calibers. I was surprised I thought it was much more complicated than this. The only problems I could encounter would be municaple bylaws and neighbours complaining about noise and these won't be an issue with me.

when you get this...can you PLEASE post it? it would be great to have that kinda info!

chris

 

[caljay30]

If it was more provincial responsibility, I wonder where the bulk of tax dollars would be spent?

Personally I believe firearms laws should be 100% governed by the provincial governments and not the feds. At least the entire country wouldn't have to suffer because Ontario Quebec and BC cannot police themselves.

As for shooting restricteds on your own property, I am certainly going to call my up my CFO and find out the particulars.

+1

 

[joe-nwt]

Is this not all federal jurisdiction? The rules should be the same for each province.

Wait for the outcome of Mark123's dealings before you go phoning the CFO again. We are not interested in the rules in every province being the same as Ontario's. In this case we want all the rules to be the same as PEI's. So keep your mouth shut until precedence has been set, kay?

 

[Undergiver]

I agree, Gun laws should be provincial. I bet Ontario and Quebec would not be a very friendly place for us. You would need all sorts of special permits if you had to travel through it to get to Manitoba.
But at least there would be a haven for gun owners in other friendlier provinces.

 

[JP]

Quebec Provincial Police ruled that shooting restricted guns on your property is not legal years ago. It was permitted at one point, if you had a certain amount of land and lived at least one mile from the nearest town. One day they re-interpreted the firearms laws and no one opposed it (took them to court) and it became the law of the land in Quebec. The same thing happened nation wide to ATT's for prohibited firearms a few years ago remember!

 

[deckerhead]

cant wait to see the outcome of this.....

 

[Silverback]

About 10 years ago a friend of mine in southern Saskatchewan got a range approved on his land, but it was inspected by the CFO to make sure it was in accordance with the regulations in their fancy binder and it had to belong to a club. So his non-profit pistol club had about 5 members, of which I was one. He has since let the approval lapse and the club fold but it could have been done at one time for sure.

 

[Crack]

Here's what I'd like to know. How do you get yout ATT without showing proof of a range membership? when you call them up are you supposed to say "I want to shoot in my backyard. Can I have ATT that says I can travel from X to X. So you join a legitimate range, but then you spend your time shooting in your backyard. So you've lied, if they want to stick that to you. I dunno, just wondering. I mean, I have 300 acres in the middle of no-where, but I'm not likely to get an ATT for there am I?



Mahalo

 

[joe-nwt]

Can anyone see you in the middle of your 300 acres from the "no trespassing" sign on it's perimeter?

 

[Vonschmoot]

I call BS for two reasons.

#1 an ATT allows you to STORE your firearms at your home and TRANSPORT them to an approved range. It does not allow you to discharge firearms at your home. That is governed by federal legislation.

#2 the legislation states that you can only discharge Restricted firearms (handguns) at a range approved by the CFO. One of the requirements of the CFO is that you carry $2m in liability insurance. Good luck getting that at your private residence.

All I have to say is that if you think you can legally do it, then please let us know how you pull it off.

 

[Silverback]

I call BS for two reasons.

#1 an ATT allows you to STORE your firearms at your home and TRANSPORT them to an approved range. It does not allow you to discharge firearms at your home. That is governed by federal legislation.

#2 the legislation states that you can only discharge Restricted firearms (handguns) at a range approved by the CFO. One of the requirements of the CFO is that you carry $2m in liability insurance. Good luck getting that at your private residence.

All I have to say is that if you think you can legally do it, then please let us know how you pull it off.

It has been done, refer to my other post #29, insurance is cheap (compared to regular insurance companies) for a club through the NFA.

 

[Griffoneur]

I call BS for two reasons.

#1 an ATT allows you to STORE your firearms at your home and TRANSPORT them to an approved range. It does not allow you to discharge firearms at your home. That is governed by federal legislation.

#2 the legislation states that you can only discharge Restricted firearms (handguns) at a range approved by the CFO. One of the requirements of the CFO is that you carry $2m in liability insurance. Good luck getting that at your private residence.

All I have to say is that if you think you can legally do it, then please let us know how you pull it off.

As a memebr of the CSSA you are covered for $5Million in liability insurance.

 

[EdGCNM]

#2 the legislation states that you can only discharge Restricted firearms (handguns) at a range approved by the CFO.

Please show me the legislation that says that. I've read through the relevant areas of the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act and it's not in there. It may exist at a provincial level. You obviously know where it says that so please quote it here.

Thanks.

 

[Boomer]

Quebec Provincial Police ruled that shooting restricted guns on your property is not legal years ago. It was permitted at one point, if you had a certain amount of land and lived at least one mile from the nearest town. One day they re-interpreted the firearms laws and no one opposed it (took them to court) and it became the law of the land in Quebec. The same thing happened nation wide to ATT's for prohibited firearms a few years ago remember!

WHAT???

Since when are any of us ruled by the police. Interpreting the law is the role of the courts. Writing the law is the role of government. The job of the police is to enforce the law, not to interpret the law.

 

[dan belisle]

I know a gent who has a private range on his property in Alberta, all legal and above board. Now that we have a new CFO, who knows what will happen. - dan

 

[trubluscrew]

#1 an ATT allows you to STORE your firearms at your home and TRANSPORT them to an approved range. It does not allow you to discharge firearms at your home. That is governed by federal legislation.

ATT has nothing to do with storing of firearms.

I was a member of a club, moved 600 miles away (and 3 1/2 hours away from the nearest approved pistol range). I lost my LTATT when I left my initial club, gained a Temp ATT for the move and never obtained another LTATT at my new residence, my restricted guns became safe queens for almost three years until I moved again. There is no requirement to have a ATT to store.

 

[promac]

I agree, Gun laws should be provincial. I bet Ontario and Quebec would not be a very friendly place for us. You would need all sorts of special permits if you had to travel through it to get to Manitoba.
But at least there would be a haven for gun owners in other friendlier provinces.

Not a smart move. Other provinces would follow by example or the federal government would eventually impose further restrictions as provincial borders are not protected.

 

[promac]

Federal law to consider:

Firearms Act:

Shooting clubs and shooting ranges

29. (1) No person shall operate a shooting club or shooting range except under an approval of the provincial minister for the province in which the premises of the shooting club or shooting range are located.

Approval

(2) A provincial minister may approve a shooting club or shooting range for the purposes of this Act if
(a) the shooting club or shooting range complies with the regulations made under paragraph 117(e); and

(b) the premises of the shooting club or shooting range are located in that province.

AUTHORIZED TRANSPORTATION OF FIREARMS
Places where prohibited and restricted firearms may be possessed

17. Subject to sections 19 and 20, a prohibited firearm or restricted firearm, the holder of the registration certificate for which is an individual, may be possessed only at the dwelling-house of the individual, as recorded in the Canadian Firearms Registry, or at a place authorized by a chief firearms officer.

1995, c. 39, s. 17; 2003, c. 8, s. 15.

Criminal Code:

95. (1) Subject to subsection (3), every person commits an offence who, in any place, possesses a loaded prohibited firearm or restricted firearm, or an unloaded prohibited firearm or restricted firearm together with readily accessible ammunition that is capable of being discharged in the firearm, unless the person is the holder of

(a) an authorization or a licence under which the person may possess the firearm in that place; and

(b) the registration certificate for the firearm.

Punishment

(2) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1)
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of

(i) in the case of a first offence, three years, and

(ii) in the case of a second or subsequent offence, five years; or


(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year.

Exception

(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who is using the firearm under the direct and immediate supervision of another person who is lawfully entitled to possess it and is using the firearm in a manner in which that other person may lawfully use it.
R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 95; 1991, c. 28, s. 8, c. 40, ss. 9, 37; 1993, c. 25, s. 93; 1995, c. 39, s. 139; 2008, c. 6, s. 8.