Short AR Barrels

No no no, we want to hear about a hot naked girl strangling you in your sleep. :)

If she was naked I wouldn't have mattered :D

Simply put I caught her cheating on me with a friend of hers and my boss (not all at once :p) and I told her to get the hell out of my house. Now since it was about 2am I told her she could stay but be gone by the morning. As a gentleman I would just sleep on the couch. I awoke at about 7am with her standing over me and her hands around my throat and she was crying. Needless to say I was very shocked. I pushed her off and she collapsed onto the floor crying. I don't think she actually was trying to kill me but Im glad I at least awoke :D

I called her mom who came and picked her and her stuff up and that was that. I didn't charge her with anything although I did tell her mom what happened. She now lives in Calgary with some guy and just had a kid not too long ago.

An old picture back just after I graduated highschool and she was graduating that year:
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Me, my ex, and my father... we're all a little drunk in that picture :D

The incident happened about 2 years after that picture was taken I think....
 
I truly hope not. I caught her cheating and when I told her to be gone in the morning she tried strangling me in my sleep (I s**t you not this is 100% real). :D

So you caught her screwing around but went bed with her that night..

Sorry if it was me.. I woulda sent her curbward and told her to call when she wanted her stuff put on the stoop..

Otherwise she coulda been packing or destroying my stuff all night..
 
So you caught her screwing around but went bed with her that night..

Sorry if it was me.. I woulda sent her curbward and told her to call when she wanted her stuff put on the stoop..

Otherwise she coulda been packing or destroying my stuff all night..

I didn't go to bed with her, I slept the night on the couch. I was too much of a gentleman back in my "younger days" and I didn't think she would actually try strangling me :D
 
I think I read somewhere that partial asphyxia enhances orgasm?

Anyway, the issue with short ARs is the closeness of the gas port to the breech, and the abbreviated barrel past the port. If the system is properly set up and balanced, there should be no problems.
If someone has done a mix & match, the situation could be different.
If the carbine has been tested, and a responsible seller says it runs well, then you should be good to go.
 
I think I read somewhere that partial asphyxia enhances orgasm?

Anyway, the issue with short ARs is the closeness of the gas port to the breech, and the abbreviated barrel past the port. If the system is properly set up and balanced, there should be no problems.
If someone has done a mix & match, the situation could be different.
If the carbine has been tested, and a responsible seller says it runs well, then you should be good to go.

First off Im not into that kinky ####, talk to MR CLARK :p

Second I more than trust the seller for what he states about the Bushmaster so Im pretty sure it's good to go. I just was confused by all the "short barreled naysayers" that kept contacting me... :confused:
 
Back to the topic.. The reliability issues they speak of come primarily from the earlier days when groups took 20" barrels and cut them done without adjusting the gas system... The same issues happened when 16's were reduced to 14-12-10 and smaller..

Because of the reduced time the gas to be passed back they got FTE and FTF issues.. the gas system is an interesting animal it needs to be adjusted accordingly however once the proper adjustments are made they run fine..

The producers have all done the tuning the problems you run into are when someone has modified a barrel or the gas system (IE NEW FSB/GB) the longer the gas system the more forgiving.. the shorter the system the more apparent problems will be...
 
See this is why I love CGN! Only here can a topic go from a stupid question about short AR barrels to my ####ed up ex and back onto topic and explained nice and easily! :D
 
Carbines generally have a looser chmaber than rifles, and that is one big lesson learned that went a long way to increasing carbine reliability.

Generally most systems will work, its when they get hot that tolerance issues occur. Since 30rds mags are a no no in Canada,as well as select fire gun, and suppressors, it is pretty hard to run a gun to failure on a pile of 5 rd mags.

That said, I have seen a LOT of LE BM shorties that are not reliable at all.
 
Carbines generally have a looser chmaber than rifles, and that is one big lesson learned that went a long way to increasing carbine reliability.

Generally most systems will work, its when they get hot that tolerance issues occur. Since 30rds mags are a no no in Canada,as well as select fire gun, and suppressors, it is pretty hard to run a gun to failure on a pile of 5 rd mags.

That said, I have seen a LOT of LE BM shorties that are not reliable at all.

Kev; can I/we get this in perspective?

What is LOT in your case?

as a percentage of all the LE Carbines that you have seen how many were BM'? How many were crap? And what kind of rounds did they have on them..


It's like going to a car dealer and asking him how good is a ford F-150.. If he's a chevy dealer your gonna get some interesting numbers. He may be able to accurately say that 100% of the ones he's seen were lousy..

:nest:
I can safely say that 75% of the Lee presses I've seen had issues.. I've seen 4 of them, 2 I took in as trade.. One I bought and 1 that a friend had.. (the friends was the only one that ran reliably so he says!)
 
I have a LMT 10.5 , and have built using Noveske and White Oak 10.5s

LMTs have smaller gas port in their 10.5s ( .071" ) compared the Noveske / WOA ( .079" to .080" )

Only issue this causes is if you run under powered ( SAMMI vs 5.56 pressure ) ammo . Even with non 5.56 in my LMT it does not go as far as to short stroke, but it would ocassional not lock back on last round

Built properly, 10.5s are reliable.
 
That said, I have seen a LOT of LE BM shorties that are not reliable at all.

There was a bunch of BM 11.5" made around Y2K rush, which were crap. Bushmaster got a lot of issues when they were trying to churn out rifle as fast as they could the year or two before Y2K -canted FSB, mysterious FTE issues.....I was a victim myself and have seem a bunch of gun that would not run.

The short barrel rifles seem to be more reliable after the CQBR came to life - probably because of the better understanding of the subject.

I remember back then people did not understand the issue of hyper extraction - they thought FTE needed to be cured by a bigger gas port.
 
Never had a functioning problem with my Noveske 10.5". My only complaint is that I get some blowback of unburned powder grains from the muzzle, which rather stings my support hand. I just wear gloves when I shoot it. But as far as functioning, I've run it into the high hundreds (700 to 800 rounds) at a single range day with no cleaning, and never had a FTF or FTE. YMMV.

Erik.
 
I have seen several (more than 2 less than 10) SWAT teams that have bought BM guns that have withing a year ended up having the cank the BM's and buy new guns (COLT/LMT or even us if they have a lot of money), or at least new uppers.

I do not think even today (having seen some very recent BM 11.5's) that they make a system that is viable for LE.
They seem to make a decent (enough) rifle, but I do not think they fully understand the short carbine at this time.
 
I have got my 10.5 LMT to short stroke. 300 rounds of ammo, no cleaning, but wet and only would short stroke with 75gr 5.56 TAP. All other 5.56 was flawless. BCG was FA and buffer was H.

I switched the SA BCG and the carbine weight buffer into the 10.5 gun from my 14.5 LMT and the problem went away. The action on the 10.5 is now a bit more violent, but it reliably cycles the heavy 75grain rounds. The 14.5 doesn't seem to care what weight buffer/BCG it gets, and is nice and happy with the H/FA BCG combo.

Lesson learned for me was to run a lighter BCG/buffer in the 10.5 LMTs if shooting heavy rounds.55 and 62 grain 5.56 never had a problem with the heavier masses.
 
Anyone have/try the N8-CQB 10.3" Complete Upper Half from Armseast? I'm looking for a complete factory upper and pickings are getting slim.
 
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