Short barrel shotguns and hunting/shooting live game?

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Come on someone in the game fields and forests of Canada must have done this?
Another thread got me to asking myself, how about those 14, 12 and 8.5 inch pipes on our short shotguns?
How was it on small game or birds with birdshot or buckshot even?

No chucking cr@p here fellas, what's the real deal?

Educate us please........

PS: If you want to throw in a slug shooting story on big game or varmints, please feel free to do so as well!

Cheers :)
 
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From my understanding the main factors are chokes. Shotgun powder is fast and velocity loss between 26 inch and 12.5 inch is not that extreme...100-200fps possibly? If they are both cylinder bore the spread should be the same. This only leaves sighting and accuracy

This is all what I can remember and I could be wrong
 
I might shoot a deer with my 14" nova tactical this year if it walks within slug range of my hunting blind. I'd shoot a grouse or partridge with it if they didnt get out of my way, im confident it would get the job done just fine @ short range.

Curious to hear what other people have to say.
 
I have 2 14" shotguns, one a Norinco HP9 (early one) and the other a Remington 870P. They are set up pretty much identically with a 4 rd SideSaddle, 1 rd mag extension, 12" Hogue butt stock and Speedfeed LE forend. The HP9 has a red fibre-optic bead on a pedestal base and the 870 has an XS Big Dot over the pedestal bead. Both barrels have had their forcing cones lengthened but are otherwise Cyl choked.

I have used the Norinco over the past 6 or 7 years almost exclusively for upland game, mostly grouse and it has served very well. I have used the 870 to shoot 2 head of game; the first, a black bear that tore up a buddies camp, was dispatched with 2 rds of Federal Premium 9 pellet 00 buckshot (the second round was not really necessary), and the second a deer that was put down on the side of the road just south of Marathon after unsuccessfully attempting suicide on the front of a Nissan Maxima (1 rd of the same 00 buckshot).

In my experience they have both served very well...
 
I've shot dozens of grouse with a shorty shotgun and 7.5 shot. I hunt big game with a rifle, but if I had my 14" shotgun loaded with slugs I'd have no issue shooting deer or bear with it.
 
Short barrels work fine for hunting. Learn what your shot spread is like and go from there. Also ware hearing protection. They are loud.
 
I've shot a lot of pigeons around my buddy's farm using my 18" Winchester defender, worked fine, I was using a heavy game load though. This last weekend my brother and I went to the range, he had his 12.5" 870 and I had my 20" 500. There was a huge difference in patterning, even at 25 yards using the same shot, the 20" had a much tighter spread.
 
Keep the stories coming guys!
I've got a 14" in progress, I was thinking of buying a longer barrel for hunting but I'm satrting to think I might be better off spending my money on tweaking the 14" rather than another barrel. Threading it for chokes and VangComp'ing it ain't gonna be that much more than a new barrel, but it'll be much more interesting :)
 
shorty

From my understanding the main factors are chokes. Shotgun powder is fast and velocity loss between 26 inch and 12.5 inch is not that extreme...100-200fps possibly? If they are both cylinder bore the spread should be the same. This only leaves sighting and accuracy

This is all what I can remember and I could be wrong



Right on the money.

Choke is the sole determining factor for patterning, barrel length has nothing to do with it.
The myth is there due to the fact most short barreled guns are cylinder bore or even simly cut down irregular muzzle crown abominations.

Also right on about muzzle velocity. Not much loss as shotgun shells burn up their small powder volume quickly. Almost negligible loss unless you're talking reaching way out on high flying game with steel shot.....highly doubt this will be the case with these style of guns.

What is a big deal is the practical shooting ergos and handling of a really short shotgun.
They don't swing well, the muzzle blast and recoil is atrocious and they often have beads that are way too low causing them to shoot way high.
This combo makes them tough to shoot well even on the first shot at a stationary target. Making multiple hits on aerial targets gets a lot tougher.
It can be done but you'll need to practice with the gun and accomodate for the short barrel swing, high shooting tendancy as well as aclimatize to the howitzer like muzzle blast and recoil.

It can be done....practice and understand the weapon.
Setting up the gun with a decent stock, pad and either a big raised bead, pedestal mounted bead or some other options like a VR or something to get the front end of the gun up to get POI in line with POA.
If yer shooting slugs a ghost ring setup works great although a bead site with the above mentioned issues addressed will work good inside 50yds on deer, bear if you dial the POI and POA in properly.

I have always been a shorter barrel fan. Since I was a teenager I have been buying or modding my shotgun barrels back from the conventional 30/28/26 lengths down to 24/22/20. I don't own a shotgun longer than 24in and most of my field guns are ~20in.
I shoot plenty of sporting clays and skeet recreationally, hunt, varmint shoot and plink a lot.

I have 12.5in/14in/16in/18in/20in guns in sevral configurations. Pistolgrip tactical oriented setups, simple short buttstocked bear defenders, old school riot guns, a couple of outright sillyass zombie toys, and a couple of ghost ring sighted hunting rigs.

A short barreled shotgun is a very practical and capable weapon.
Set it up right, sight it in, then shoot it a bunch....practice practice practice.

PS ear plugs AND muffs when practising....and ya might want to wear a lil more than a tshirt.....or you'll be sorry....LOL
 
shorty

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Forgot to mention the obvious issue of chokes.

Again most short barreled shotguns are maligned for huge terrible patterns due to being cylinder bore and worse and having poor crowns and the like.

The same concept for any length shotgun applies here. They need adjustable chokes to dial them in for the load/distance/game.
Getting a threaded barrel from new or having it threaded for chokes is a must if you're serious about anything more than plinking and up close personal distance shooting.

One of the nicest shooting and best patterning shotguns I own is an old Wingmaster that I had the 30in barrel shortened to 18in and a Polychoke installed. The finished barrel is ~20in and has a nice muzzle heavy balance.
The Polychoke has a nice big brass bead mounted on the barrel end of the Poly adapter which gets it up nice and high and the Polychoke can be adjusted by hand from cyl bore to extra full.....has a comp on the end of it too to tame muzzle rise/recoil.
This thing handles like a dream, points/swings and shoots to POA and patterns well. I've hunted with it for 30yrs
 
I'm never hunted with a short {as in less than 18"} barrel but I've done a lot of media testing and to make a long story short, the loss of velocity from short barrel can make for a noticable difference as shot size decreases.

Even if the short tube patterns well, there's no getting from the fact that you're launching those pellets at what would normally probably be 25 yard velocities out of a longer barrel. That might not matter much with slugs or large buckshot, but with the smaller stuff that's pretty significant given the short effective range of shot at the best of times.
 
Nothing beats a Grizzly on your back when you are the dogger on a drive. Makes you a little more confident when you are crawling on your hands and knees through blowdowns and realize the tunnel you are in has some recent bear signs. The short length keeps it from getting caught up, and with slugs it will stop anything you bump into in the thick of it.
 
For discussion's sake what range and angle did you shoot the bear from? Quick clean kill?

I have 2 14" shotguns, one a Norinco HP9 (early one) and the other a Remington 870P. They are set up pretty much identically with a 4 rd SideSaddle, 1 rd mag extension, 12" Hogue butt stock and Speedfeed LE forend. The HP9 has a red fibre-optic bead on a pedestal base and the 870 has an XS Big Dot over the pedestal bead. Both barrels have had their forcing cones lengthened but are otherwise Cyl choked.

I have used the Norinco over the past 6 or 7 years almost exclusively for upland game, mostly grouse and it has served very well. I have used the 870 to shoot 2 head of game; the first, a black bear that tore up a buddies camp, was dispatched with 2 rds of Federal Premium 9 pellet 00 buckshot (the second round was not really necessary), and the second a deer that was put down on the side of the road just south of Marathon after unsuccessfully attempting suicide on the front of a Nissan Maxima (1 rd of the same 00 buckshot).

In my experience they have both served very well...
 
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I took lots of grouse with the 14" Dlask-barreled 870 I owned a few years back.
Out to 30yds it was just fine. Dead is dead.




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There is nothing much I can add as the issues related to handling, chokes, sighting, and velocity have pretty much been covered. FWIW though, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of a shotgun barrel so short, that my support hand could slip ahead of the muzzle when the gun is held at the shoulder; particularly a pump gun. This could prove to be a life changing accident, and if any distance from help, could be a life ending one.
 
was your barrel choked or was it plain cyl?

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I took lots of grouse with the 14" Dlask-barreled 870 I owned a few years back.
Out to 30yds it was just fine. Dead is dead.




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shorty

There is nothing much I can add as the issues related to handling, chokes, sighting, and velocity have pretty much been covered. FWIW though, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of a shotgun barrel so short, that my support hand could slip ahead of the muzzle when the gun is held at the shoulder; particularly a pump gun. This could prove to be a life changing accident, and if any distance from help, could be a life ending one.

This is a valid point......although at the end of the day it's up to the operator to play safe.

I don't own 8in versions for pretty much that reason and the mag capacity is too shy to be practical IMO. I feel the 12.5in version is as short as is practical and retains normal mag capacity.
 
There is nothing much I can add as the issues related to handling, chokes, sighting, and velocity have pretty much been covered. FWIW though, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of a shotgun barrel so short, that my support hand could slip ahead of the muzzle when the gun is held at the shoulder; particularly a pump gun. This could prove to be a life changing accident, and if any distance from help, could be a life ending one.

So just for the sake of discussion, how often has your hand come off the forend on one of your standard length pump guns??? I ask this because after owning and shooting extensively literally dozens of pump action shotguns in 12, 16, 20 and .410, I honestly cannot remember ever having my hand slip forward off of the pump.

I own several in 12.5 and 14" and it isn't something that I even think about...
 
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