Short mags
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The 270 and 300WSM's have bee the most popular. The 7WSM looks like a great cartridge, and I would have bought one if I didn't already have a 7RM.
Teh SAUMS are pretty dead, and the WSSM's are too. I don't know how well the Ruger 300 compact will fare. All the manufacturers shoudl have just gone with the WSM's
Teh SAUMS are pretty dead, and the WSSM's are too. I don't know how well the Ruger 300 compact will fare. All the manufacturers shoudl have just gone with the WSM's
All the manufacturers shoudl have just gone with the WSM's
True. They should have used the WSM's and just offered better ammo/bullets to make up for the ammo sales...If Rem had been the first to load TSX from the factory in a WSM, thy would have sold oodles...
Winchester has already dropped one of them a year or so ago.
I forget which one.
Ideally, they would have all failed to leave the drawing board. As it is, the Ruger offerings look to be the most sensibly designed.
As for the 7mmWSM being stronger than the 7mm Rem Mag.; Horsedroppings! Only on paper, folks.
The demise of all the short mags would not be a reason for mourning IMO. If Winchester had spent the money on factory upgrades and product improvements, they might still be here. Instead, they spent the money on advertising and poorly done development. Then spent more addressing warranty issues and doing redesigns to fix engineering errors. They loaded ammo hot enough to blow the primers right out all too frequently in order to achieve the velocities they wanted to claim. Simultaneously they backed way off on the belted mag. pressures to show the short/fats in the best possible light. That the WSMs have been at all successful is a testiment to the effectiveness of advertising rather than the effectiveness of the cartridges. Phooey. Regards, Bill.
As for the 7mmWSM being stronger than the 7mm Rem Mag.; Horsedroppings! Only on paper, folks.
The demise of all the short mags would not be a reason for mourning IMO. If Winchester had spent the money on factory upgrades and product improvements, they might still be here. Instead, they spent the money on advertising and poorly done development. Then spent more addressing warranty issues and doing redesigns to fix engineering errors. They loaded ammo hot enough to blow the primers right out all too frequently in order to achieve the velocities they wanted to claim. Simultaneously they backed way off on the belted mag. pressures to show the short/fats in the best possible light. That the WSMs have been at all successful is a testiment to the effectiveness of advertising rather than the effectiveness of the cartridges. Phooey. Regards, Bill.
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Well, I own a 270 WSM and dont yet reload, so I hope it survives
Americans have never been fans of metric cartridges and that's what will likely be the demise of the 7WSM. You can talk all you want about performance and efficiency but it's ultimately the consumer that decides. They don't want another metric cartridge. Do you think it's coincidence they named the .325WSM what they did?
I agree that the 7mm is likely a preferable choice but in this fickle consumer driven maket, common sense does not always dictate....
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While not of the WSM family, I think the .350 Remington deserves more attention than its received. It was quite a departure from the norm when it came out, and marked pretty much the first time that a powerful cartridge was factory chambered in a compact rifle. But therein lies the rub with the .350; due to the short magazine of the 600 carbines, the rifles were throated short and heavy bullets had to be seated deep into the powder space. With a slightly longer magazine and a slightly longer throat, and the .350 would be a wonderful choice for big game at moderate range. It's never been wildly popular, but I hope it hangs on.
Though I own and dearly love my 7mm WSM, I'd have to agree that it is the most likely to disappear. I already have a difficult time finding factory ammo and brass, and I don't personally know a single hunter in my area that owns a rifle in the 7mm. Too bad. Luckily, I reload, so no problems there. I just need to stock up on brass while I still can.
Cheers,
Erik.
Cheers,
Erik.
All my 350Rems are actually throated quite long (factory M600, M660 and Ruger77) . A pointed 250gr like the Speer HC typically goes approximately .300" before engaging the rifling. That's at a max COAL of 2.800" - in my guns the COAL is the primary limitation I think. But it's no biggy to me.
Maybe so - I sure do like it - the original short mag!
It is a wonderful choice for that - as it is - for a handloader. It was developed to be a short action powerhouse and it delivered. But as you say its ballistics can be slightly improved upon if a longer action and matching throating is employed.
For sure -my personal favorite WSM is this one which I made by rechambering a factory fresh Ruger 77/350RemMag with a 12" twist.
I always thought the .284win was the original short mag. I really do like my .284, it's a shame that cartridge failed. I think the only wsm to fail will be the 7, I think the saum's are done. When rem started chambering wsm's, that finished the saum's. I don't know what ruger's doing, the last thing we need is another short mag. I would have rather seen a full size .338 ruger, based on the .375 ruger. That would be a hell of a cartridge, I may even build one someday.
