Shortest, lightest, pistol grip unit?

[manbearpig]

you cant really replace the foregrip on the 8.5 - not without modification anyway.
but yeah it is beefier than i expected. im glad for the MP5K-style protruding part though, since i have big hands and without that theyd be dangerously close to the muzzle.

 

[600 Mohawk]

you cant really replace the foregrip on the 8.5 - not without modification anyway.
but yeah it is beefier than i expected. im glad for the MP5K-style protruding part though, since i have big hands and without that theyd be dangerously close to the muzzle.

I was thinking of the 12.5. Couldn't believe how heavy the grip was compared to the Hogue. Yes, I'd want the extra "safety" on the 8.5" as well, very good point. One of those impossible to find Remington grips with the same tang might be appropriate if it fit length wise.

 

[Meph]

Back to the sporting section with your Fudd opinions. I know you're not going to revisit this thread to see this (have you ever seen the billion refutations and debunkings, to your million posts?), but did you even look at the video posted in response to the last time you made the exact same post in this section (earlier this week )? Guy fired off a magnum turkey load holding only the pistol grip, gun sure as heck didn't look useless (true he did have a stock on the gun, but he wasn't using it).

Pistol grip only shotguns, seem quite popular in this section of the forum. Obviously, there's a fair number around here, who DON'T feel they are useless. Ask CanAm how many hundred 870 pistol grips he's personally sold, and that's just one CANADIAN company! How many pistol grip only shotguns to you figure MOSS F'ING BERG has sold in just the past year alone!!!


[/RANT]

I feel much better now, been feeling pretty much like saying that for almost 3 years now.

THIS. A THOUSAND TIMES THIS. I'm glad you're not the only one that thinks like I do.

First, if you keep a straight wrist and hold with the support hand tightly, it doesn't hurt at all. Hell, just the right hand holding the grip the right way isn't at all painful, and recoil is straight back. Do I need to post my single handed turkey load shotgun shoot? Second, accuracy with a pistol grip only is not only possible, it's very doable. Especially if you have a nice set of sights. Align as usual, pull trigger, bad thing or plinking target goes away. Buckshot out to 25 yards and slugs past 40 are a never miss for me. Third, it makes a very light, very compact and very powerful firearm. I've swept the house for s**ts and giggles with my 20" barrelled 590 with a full stock, and there are corners and doorways that aren't even as wide as the OAL of my shotgun! I have to bring the shotgun in, enter or cross that room/hallway/doorway and present it again when I can. What use is a shotgun if you are in a situation that's so cramped that you can't even bring it on target? Downsides to pistol grip only: Slower from shot to shot. You have to get it back on target and it takes more time. Less accurate and not as fast to get on target in the first place. There's downsides to every configuration, but for a specific role, PGO IS GOOD.

/rant.

 

[manbearpig]

for wildlife defense, id take a full stocked 8.5-14" barreled shotgun over a pistol gripped 18+" shotgun anyday. i own both, and there is no question as to which one i can shoot more intuitively and accurately.

one of my 870s has a PG on it, along with an 18" 870P barrel and a mag extension. i dont really shoot this particular gun much, its just that i have too many shotguns and had a PG laying around so i installed it on one. the interesting thing is that whenever ANYONE new to guns looks at my guns, the first gun they gravitate to is that PG 870 (passing over much more interesting guns without so much as a glance).
^i believe this is the reason that so many pistol grips are sold -- not because of any inherent advantages they give.

i wouldnt rag on anyone for owning a PGO shotgun. but for a 'wildlife defense' role where your life is at stake it would be prudent to focus on function rather than 'cool factor'.

 

[Boomer]

THIS. A THOUSAND TIMES THIS. I'm glad you're not the only one that thinks like I do.

First, if you keep a straight wrist and hold with the support hand tightly, it doesn't hurt at all. Hell, just the right hand holding the grip the right way isn't at all painful, and recoil is straight back. Do I need to post my single handed turkey load shotgun shoot? Second, accuracy with a pistol grip only is not only possible, it's very doable. Especially if you have a nice set of sights. Align as usual, pull trigger, bad thing or plinking target goes away. Buckshot out to 25 yards and slugs past 40 are a never miss for me. Third, it makes a very light, very compact and very powerful firearm. I've swept the house for s**ts and giggles with my 20" barrelled 590 with a full stock, and there are corners and doorways that aren't even as wide as the OAL of my shotgun! I have to bring the shotgun in, enter or cross that room/hallway/doorway and present it again when I can. What use is a shotgun if you are in a situation that's so cramped that you can't even bring it on target? Downsides to pistol grip only: Slower from shot to shot. You have to get it back on target and it takes more time. Less accurate and not as fast to get on target in the first place. There's downsides to every configuration, but for a specific role, PGO IS GOOD.

/rant.

In a dangerous bear situation, hitting at 25 yards is seldom a problem, hitting one on the move effectively at 7 yards is. Bear defense is not bear hunting. Any gun can be mastered with enough practice, but the PGO shotgun imposes an unnecessary degree of difficulty in what is arguably already a very difficult situation.

 

[manbearpig]

^id pay close attention to whatever Boomer has to say -- IIRC he actually does 'bear defense' for a living



btw heres a pic of why a factory Grizzly stock is 'heavy':

compare this to a Stoeger 2000 stock:

pics courtesy of michaelsabre's old thread.

a Speedfeed stock is beefier than the factory Remington stocks, yet even it weighs half as much as a factory Grizzly stock.
so the good news is you can significantly lighten the Grizzly up by just swapping the stock, and perhaps the mag cap for an aluminum one. or you can leave it the way it is in case you need to drive in tent pegs or use your shotgun to bludgeon things once you run out of ammo