Shorty M1A, M14, M305 projects ...

UCSPanther said:
I'm surprised no one has tried making a shorty with a Beretta BM 59 Alpine-style folding stock...
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Just found this thread and there is some great stuff here.

Does this count ? Sort of an "old school" shorty.

Old pics of a Garand tanker kit and an Italian Alpini Garand (not BM59) folding stock that I bought years ago...someday will bring it to life !
 
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Some nice stuff gents ... man I need to get me arsh in gear and finish my shorty project. :redface:

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA

Still need to;

- bed stock
- decide to paint metal or not(have the paint, not sure of the skill :p)
- do the 3 point weld bit
- get mount(as my ARMS #18 won't align or it's me?)
- scope rifle ... can't decide on scope ... :rolleyes:
 
Hi shredder, I see you chopped the receiver mount off the UTG rail to make it work with your arms 18. Just wondering if you thought the rail is stable enough like that to mount a a red dot or one scope ring of 2 for your scope. I am waiting on a shorty gun that m14 doc is building and that photo you posted has me thinking???? Thanks for any feedback, Mark
 
16.25" SEI barrel... MK14 CQB 16 type SEI

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Shorter? Once you account for the SOCOM GLFS and SOCOM DC Vortex the
16.25" barrel ends up being about 1/2" shorter than an 18.0" with a DC Vortex.

 
I see you chopped the receiver mount off the UTG rail to make it work with your arms 18. Just wondering if you thought the rail is stable enough like that to mount a a red dot or one scope ring of 2 for your scope. I am waiting on a shorty gun that m14 doc is building and that photo you posted has me thinking???? Thanks for any feedback, Mark :cheers:[/QUOTE]
 
Winz said:
My beautiful queen M14 is bejeweled in hand-selected USGI parts, adorned in a sleek custom stock and crowned with a Vortex flash suppressor....this one ain't it.

This is the ugly short Betty with her fat rump and pocked skin....and I love her still.

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OAL: 37.5" (Compare my 22" barrelled lean queen at 43")
LOP: 12" (Means I can shoot more squared)
Weight: ~8lb unloaded (Compare to the 10+lb rigs for CQB purposes I've seen, I think I did ok)

Stock is extemely stiff and has very fat foreend :p (even compared to previous versions of stiffened foreend USGI stocks I've done). Grip fills hand nicely and allows more comfortable positioning for more squared off stance.

I'm looking at probably adding the package of big mag release and bolt release from NEA when available.

The only thing I may look at doing after is getting an ambi-tab made for the oprod, inspired by the wing tab available for the SRSS stock.

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The flash messed up this pic.
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Nice rifle Winz, like it a lot.

I'm assuming the grip is done with truck bed liner? Can't remember the name of that stuff.
Was the rear grip built up first before applying the bed liner or no?

Been thinking of cutting mine down to 12" LOP for awhile. Yours just might inspire me to do it.
Thanks for the pictures.

600
 
600 Mohawk said:
Nice rifle Winz, like it a lot.

I'm assuming the grip is done with truck bed liner? Can't remember the name of that stuff.
Was the rear grip built up first before applying the bed liner or no?

Been thinking of cutting mine down to 12" LOP for awhile. Yours just might inspire me to do it.
Thanks for the pictures.

600
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600,

You'll notice that the grip is fatter and more vertical than a normal USGI stock. The grip(neck area) and fore-end have been built up and reinforced in many layers of fiberglass cloth. The grip area is also counter weighted to help balance a front and top heavy rifle.

The stippling can be done in several ways. Typically I use steel epoxy and tease it with a stick while curing to create stippling. Steel epoxy can be heavy so it depends on the application. The other common way is to use granular material with regular epoxy, ie sand mixed in epoxy or even resin, then spread. For mild applications, you can also use glazing putty and tease it but this is inherently crumbly and requires heavy coating to harden.

On top, I do bedliner for a rough finish on all surfaces and to harden/seal the entire stock regardless of changes in the future in paint job. After several coats of bedliner, I went through the normal paint prep and finishing.

The 12" LOP is a great more for me on this application. With the counter balancing, shorty barrel and short LOP, it changes the handling of the rifle completely.
 
Winz said:
600,

You'll notice that the grip is fatter and more vertical than a normal USGI stock. The grip(neck area) and fore-end have been built up and reinforced in many layers of fiberglass cloth. The grip area is also counter weighted to help balance a front and top heavy rifle.

The stippling can be done in several ways. Typically I use steel epoxy and tease it with a stick while curing to create stippling. Steel epoxy can be heavy so it depends on the application. The other common way is to use granular material with regular epoxy, ie sand mixed in epoxy or even resin, then spread. For mild applications, you can also use glazing putty and tease it but this is inherently crumbly and requires heavy coating to harden.

On top, I do bedliner for a rough finish on all surfaces and to harden/seal the entire stock regardless of changes in the future in paint job. After several coats of bedliner, I went through the normal paint prep and finishing.

The 12" LOP is a great more for me on this application. With the counter balancing, shorty barrel and short LOP, it changes the handling of the rifle completely.
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Winz,

Thanks for the info! Gives me a couple ways to try this.

For the grip counter weight did you add anything specific for weight beyond the steel epoxy? I've seen guys drill holes and stick in a chunk of metal for this sort of thing.
Thanks again.

600
 
600 Mohawk said:
Winz,

Thanks for the info! Gives me a couple ways to try this.

For the grip counter weight did you add anything specific for weight beyond the steel epoxy? I've seen guys drill holes and stick in a chunk of metal for this sort of thing.
Thanks again.

600
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For the counter weight, I created a cone and used steel epoxy. It could have just as easily been done by epoxying in a bar of metal as well.

For projects that involve making a very vertical, thin neck grip like on a target stock, sticking a bar of metal is useful in the neck area for the purpose of strength.

Depending on how you want setup the rifle and how you want it to balance, you also have the option to counter weight using the accessory holes in the stock. I didn't require it for this particular stock but if you find you didn't have enough in the grip area and don't want to make a PSG 1 style weight, you can add to the accessory hole, especially since you intend to shorten the LOP and put a buttpad(ie holes won't be accessible like on a trap door, buttplate). I would start with filling the lower hole rather than the top.
 
Winz said:
For the counter weight, I created a cone and used steel epoxy. It could have just as easily been done by epoxying in a bar of metal as well.

For projects that involve making a very vertical, thin neck grip like on a target stock, sticking a bar of metal is useful in the neck area for the purpose of strength.

Depending on how you want setup the rifle and how you want it to balance, you also have the option to counter weight using the accessory holes in the stock. I didn't require it for this particular stock but if you find you didn't have enough in the grip area and don't want to make a PSG 1 style weight, you can add to the accessory hole, especially since you intend to shorten the LOP and put a buttpad(ie holes won't be accessible like on a trap door, buttplate). I would start with filling the lower hole rather than the top.
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Very helpful. Thanks Winz !

600
 
Here's mine, still a work in progress, soon to be joined by another norc, likely a fullsize.

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Current setup; USGI Stock, NEA op rod spring guide, Tac Pro riser. Barrel chop, front sight and Troy Medieval by Tac Ord. Tuning and #### loss prevention at Hungry's London Clinic.

Soon to come; M14 Doc's CQB stock, NEA mag and bolt releases, arms 18 mount. There will be an optic of some variety mounted on the arms, I just haven't decided what to mount up.
 
I love the muzzebrake on that one BIG TIME there "simpleton" ... :rockOn:

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA

p.s. going to have to find a receiver/bolt/gas assembly/trigger group as I just purchase a shorty barrel in 243 for an M14 build ... thanks to Brobee ... :D
 
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