Shot my first Glock today

I bought my first Glock in 1988 and love them. I currently have 6 models 3 of which I just bought in the past few weeks. G19 with thredded barrel, G41, and G20 Gen 4.
 
Still alive said:
I have small hands but long fingers. I have no issue with any Glocks, any Gen, any caliber and any grip length. I just love how utilitarian they look and how well they function. You gotta go with a gun that goes bang everytime you pull the trigger and is accurate to boot with any jacketed ammo. My other pistols are fun but when I want to practice something specific, I go Glock!
I know if the S does HTF, Glock will be my go to handgun!
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Big hands and long fingers lol

Fitment is a bit weird for me and pistols. Can't argue with you, though. Neither Glock has ever had a stoppage with plated ball ammo. The 41 doesn't care for my cast SWC, but neither does my 1911.... Those were a mistake.
 
Mark-II said:
Big hands and long fingers lol

Fitment is a bit weird for me and pistols. Can't argue with you, though. Neither Glock has ever had a stoppage with plated ball ammo. The 41 doesn't care for my cast SWC, but neither does my 1911.... Those were a mistake.
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I know that the 9mm Glocks don't like lead bullets due to the octagonal rifling but are the .45s the same? Your 1911, is it the 9mm one or a .45? My .45 ate lead SWCs no problem. 9mm, no idea. Like I said, don't trust 9 in a 1911!
As for grip comfort, are you a CZ guy too?
 
Still alive said:
I know that the 9mm Glocks don't like lead bullets due to the octagonal rifling but are the .45s the same? Your 1911, is it the 9mm one or a .45? My .45 ate lead SWCs no problem. 9mm, no idea. Like I said, don't trust 9 in a 1911!
As for grip comfort, are you a CZ guy too?
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Sorry, I segued from 9mm to 45acp. I meant 45 in both glock and 1911... A different 1911.

I suspect TC bullets would work. The lee SWC just has a big step in it and it'll give me feeding issues every few mags.

I don't shoot cast in the 9mm, mainly because I'm switching to cam pro for 9mm in general. My lee 9mm that I tried this year also seems to be rather undersized and leads up even my 1911 horribly. I'd not even try those particular bullets in the glock. Cam pros cost so little more than commercial cast I just switched outright rather than loading different for each pistol.

I've run cast thru the G41, not in large quantities per session, but have not noted any leading after 100 rounds or so

Big bullet, lower velocity... Perhaps that helps?

You know, I like the CZ but have never had one. I do find the reach to the trigger somewhat short. I tend to grab it in the crook of my knuckle. That's my problem with many pistols. Revolvers tend to suit me better.
That said if I found a good deal on a CZ 85 combat I might be tempted.
 
Mark-II said:
Sorry, I segued from 9mm to 45acp. I meant 45 in both glock and 1911... A different 1911.

I suspect TC bullets would work. The lee SWC just has a big step in it and it'll give me feeding issues every few mags.

I don't shoot cast in the 9mm, mainly because I'm switching to cam pro for 9mm in general

I've run cast thru the G41, not in large quantities per session, but have not noted any leading after 100 rounds or so

Big bullet, lower velocity... Perhaps that helps?

You know, I like the CZ but have never had one. I do find the reach to the trigger somewhat short. I tend to grab it in the crook of my knuckle. That's my problem with many pistols. Revolvers tend to suit me better.
That said if I found a good deal on a CZ 85 combat I might be tempted.
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Mark,
What was the issue with the cast lead rounds for your .45s ( Glock and 1911?). Was it a feeding, ejecting or accuracy problem?
Like your self diagnosis said, you probably want a less aggressive shoulder on the SWC bullets. How about doing a throating job on esp. the 1911? The feed angle can be a bit steep on them. Can you get the truncated cone jacketed rounds for reloading your .45s? They might feed better.
If the trigger is too short on the CZs, how are they on your 1911? I assume you must have installed a long trigger on your 1911 then? I can see why you like wheel guns if trigger reach is an issue. Does the Browning HP trigger work for you then? The reach should be better due to the " double action" look of it.
Cheers!
 
The Reason People hate them is because after they try one they are peed 'cause they paid twice as much for 1911 & got half the gun (haha).:cool:
 
Still alive said:
Mark,
What was the issue with the cast lead rounds for your .45s ( Glock and 1911?). Was it a feeding, ejecting or accuracy problem?...........
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Oh, I can't outshoot my ammo. The plated stuff is a bit more accurate than my cast loads if I bench rest them, but with the SWC it's purely a feeding problem. They'll sometimes hang up half way into the 1911 and the G41 will fail to go completely into battery sometimes. What killed my designs for that bullet was that the JR carbine HATES them with a passion, and destroys the case when it misfeeds. Going back to a round nose cast bullet solves the problem on all accounts, and I'm generally going to run plated through the Glock for peace of mind.

I've a stock SR1911 with a long trigger, and I've shot another 1911 with a short trigger all right, with it in my finger joint rather than on the pad. The problem with a CZ type of SA/DA pistols is that the long reset makes such a practice more awkward - not so on a single action. I've never fired a BHP, but I'd certainly not be adverse to picking up a decent used one someday to try, since it's the gun that Browning MADE for 9mm from the outset.

It was the president and resident smith at my pistol club who suggested I look at Glock for a hand-filling gun, and he was right. Though I did have the opportunity to try out a G17 and G20 beforehand, thanks to a few members there.

I can believe how ridiculously easy they are to detail strip, and how little there actually is to the mechanism. A mouse trap has more complicated lockwork than a Glock ;)
 
FreedomIsn'tFree said:
I'd take a 10mm over a .45
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10mm is useless unless you handload for it. You may as well just get a 40 if you're going to run factory ammo.
My G21 with 10mm conversion barrel including heavier spring on stainless rod is awesome when I run my handloads, I only run factory loads when I let others give it a try and to get brass. Once they get used to the pistol I give them a mag of the real 10mm loads and watch their eyes light up.
It's an awesome cartridge but factory loads them down so badly it's a waste of money to shoot it over cheaper and easier to find 40 loads.
 
Still alive said:
I know that the 9mm Glocks don't like lead bullets due to the octagonal rifling but are the .45s the same? Your 1911, is it the 9mm one or a .45? My .45 ate lead SWCs no problem. 9mm, no idea. Like I said, don't trust 9 in a 1911!
As for grip comfort, are you a CZ guy too?
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Any barrel with polygonal rifling should not be fed large amounts of lead. They will shoot it fine but due to the type of rifling they get a better seal on the bullet and as the lead starts accumulating in the barrel they can experience higher pressures. If you find a lead bullet design that feeds well then by all means go ahead and shoot it but just make sure to clean the barrel a little more often than you normally would.
Also be aware that the manual states that along with handloads shooting lead will void your warranty.
 
cr5 said:
10mm is useless unless you handload for it. You may as well just get a 40 if you're going to run factory ammo.
My G21 with 10mm conversion barrel including heavier spring on stainless rod is awesome when I run my handloads, I only run factory loads when I let others give it a try and to get brass. Once they get used to the pistol I give them a mag of the real 10mm loads and watch their eyes light up.
It's an awesome cartridge but factory loads them down so badly it's a waste of money to shoot it over cheaper and easier to find 40 loads.
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CR5,
I just picked up a S&W 610 10mm revolver recently and am a total noob with this cartridge. I had sworn to myself to stick with the big 3 ( 9mm, .38/.357, .45) only but could not resist the gun or the deal! Anyways, I've heard other people say the same thing about factory 10mm ammo as you; that they are soft loaded and not worth getting. 2 questions:
1) Why do the manufacturers not load to spec?
2) Where can I get 10mm rds that ARE loaded full? I do not reload so that is out of the question at the moment.
Thanks!
 
Still alive said:
CR5,
I just picked up a S&W 610 10mm revolver recently and am a total noob with this cartridge. I had sworn to myself to stick with the big 3 ( 9mm, .38/.357, .45) only but could not resist the gun or the deal! Anyways, I've heard other people say the same thing about factory 10mm ammo as you; that they are soft loaded and not worth getting. 2 questions:
1) Why do the manufacturers not load to spec?
2) Where can I get 10mm rds that ARE loaded full? I do not reload so that is out of the question at the moment.
Thanks!
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They started loading them down to 40 short and weak specs for the FBI when it was their service pistol cartridge and people with dainty weak wrists were complaining about the recoil.

There are pretty much no sources for full house 10mm loads in Canada, if you can find Buffalo Bore ammo it is supposed to be pretty hot with it's 180 grain doing 1350fps w:h: . Underwood ammo's 200 grain at 1250fps :runaway: is another source but I've never seen either in Canada.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=114
http://www.underwoodammo.com/10mmauto200grainxtpjacketedhollowpointboxof50.aspx

Best thing is to get yourself a basic reloading setup and save all your spent brass. It's easy to load for. I use 800x powder and 155 and 180 grain projectiles to make the nice spicy loads.
One of these days I'll get around to pulling out the chronograph and measuring the difference between the 3 types of factory loads I have compared to my handloads.

I love the 10mm but it's best suited to handloading. If you ever decide to sell that revolver let me know.
To bad you don't live closer, I'd let you run some handloads through your gun and you'd instantly understand why you need to handload. In the meantime try the Hornady critical defense loads, they seem to be a little hotter than the average factory stuff available.

If you're never going to reload I'd be happy to buy your brass off you ;)


https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=24
http://www.underwoodammo.com/10mmauto.aspx
 
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Thanks cr5!
I remembered when the FBI went to the 10mm. That experiment didn't last long! I did not know that's why the 10mm was downloaded for general consumption. What a shame!
I had about 150 10 mm cases that came with the 610. Gave them to another CGNer who maaaaaay load some hot rounds for me but I'm not sure...he was talking liability issues and all that.
I did order some Hornady XTP rds from my LGS and it's suppose to arrive this Thurs. I'm guessing by the price that they are packaged by the 20s and not 50!!
Thanks for your info and help!
 
Still alive said:
Thanks cr5!
I remembered when the FBI went to the 10mm. That experiment didn't last long! I did not know that's why the 10mm was downloaded for general consumption. What a shame!
I had about 150 10 mm cases that came with the 610. Gave them to another CGNer who maaaaaay load some hot rounds for me but I'm not sure...he was talking liability issues and all that.
I did order some Hornady XTP rds from my LGS and it's suppose to arrive this Thurs. I'm guessing by the price that they are packaged by the 20s and not 50!!
Thanks for your info and help!
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Also downloaded for similar reasons the 45-70 round is usually so weak in factory form. They need to make a load that is safe in any firearm chambered for that cartridge. Even a warning label on the box won't stop some dumb dumb from trying it in his gun. Too many liability issues these days.
 
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