I get that , im just saying to get a pass thorugh on a deer you don't need a whole lot of gun or penetration. In my personal experience of deer i have shot , or deer that i have witnessed and deer that i've cleaned i have found more bullets from 30-06s than from 30-30's. That being said i also have seen a very large whitetail shot lengthwise with a 308 and have the bullet exit. All i was saying is that even for a pass through you dont need a whole lot of gun. I know a guy who gets passthroughs with his 44-40, but thats with cast's
Shot placement, bullets, rifles...
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I get that , im just saying to get a pass thorugh on a deer you don't need a whole lot of gun or penetration. In my personal experience of deer i have shot , or deer that i have witnessed and deer that i've cleaned i have found more bullets from 30-06s than from 30-30's. That being said i also have seen a very large whitetail shot lengthwise with a 308 and have the bullet exit. All i was saying is that even for a pass through you dont need a whole lot of gun. I know a guy who gets passthroughs with his 44-40, but thats with cast's
Fair enough.... bullets have come a long way... and my 30-30 experience is limited to about 10-15 years ago....
Can't really see what you are saying about .30-06 passing through less but will take your word for it.... hasn't been my experience...
Jordan Smith
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Think bullets, not headstamps 
Think bullets, not headstamps
I understand what you are saying.... but unless you specifically bought a bullet designed for quick expansion and no through and through and loaded it for your .30-06 I can't see it happening.... and yes, I am well aware that choice is available....
Don't get me wrong... I am not anti 30-30... I just fail to see what is so great about a rifle that is essentially only available in one action (yes... there are oddballs), has distance limitations, reloading limitations etc...
It is great that new bullet designs and new imroved powders and materials have improved 30-30 ballistics.... but they have improved ballistics for a lot of other more versatile rifles also... I just fail to see the allure....
The 30-30 guys make fun of "Wizzbang magnum" people for jumping bandwagons and then run out and buy the "latest and greatest" in bullets and loads and go on about how much further you can shoot with the new Hornady Leverevolution ammo....
I just don't get it....
It just gets better & better
Am I incorrect in pointing out a flaw that one of the major manufacturers had to change the follower on their rifle around for or do you have something else you would like to add?....
Yes, could you make up your mind whether the cause of not chambering is
"a flaw that one of the major manufacturers had to change the follower on their rifle"
or the bent pointed bullets
"I wasn't referring to the trajectory of the rounds but rather throws them off kilter when trying to chamber them... poorly worded on my part...."
"and many still wouldn't recommend using flex tips in a tube mag for hunting.... not as much for the safety reasons they site for metal tipped bullets"
Would that be armour piercing bullets that was so common
Yes, could you make up your mind whether the cause of not chambering is
"a flaw that one of the major manufacturers had to change the follower on their rifle"
or the bent pointed bullets
"I wasn't referring to the trajectory of the rounds but rather throws them off kilter when trying to chamber them... poorly worded on my part...."
"and many still wouldn't recommend using flex tips in a tube mag for hunting.... not as much for the safety reasons they site for metal tipped bullets"
Would that be armour piercing bullets that was so common
Some Marlin 30-30 rifles had to have a notch put in the follower so they could chamber the new bullets...... the follower was damaging the tips and causing them not to chamber properly.... Since the Marlin rifle design predates hornady's leverevolution ammunition I would call this an oversight on Hornady's part to not at least warn folks of a potential issue... luckily, Marlin made good and offered a free fix.....
Yes.... metal tipped bullets.... Lead and copper are both metal.... although not quite armour piercing....
.... although soft and malleable metal tipped pointed bullets are not recommended for use in a tube mag lever action as recoil may set the rounds off as the tip from one round may strike the primer in the next round.....When i say i have found more passthroughs with a 30-30 than a 30-06 i mean one time more
. Not suggesting that the 30-06 wont passthrough most times. Also i will fully admit that my sample size is only around 50 deer that i have been somehow involved with also when the bullet didn't pass through it was because it was shot at under 50 yards with a cup and core bullet in the scapula. 30-30 probably wouldn't of pass all the way through either with equivelent bullets
Northman999
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I have to agree that shot placement is #1 and everything else is secondary. I've never been able to see the difference between a moose or black bear hit solidly with a .270 win, or a .375 H&H for instance.
In all fairness however, for not-so-great hits, having more horsepower is a definite advantage. I know lots of us don't like to mention it, because we have ethical issues with guys taking poor shots on animals and relying on horsepower to do the job, but I've seen it more than once, and I know some magnum owners who count on it.
In all fairness however, for not-so-great hits, having more horsepower is a definite advantage. I know lots of us don't like to mention it, because we have ethical issues with guys taking poor shots on animals and relying on horsepower to do the job, but I've seen it more than once, and I know some magnum owners who count on it.
