SHOT SHOW 2010 - EMA Tactical (ex-CAA) Glock Carbine Kit

[blaxsun]

Upload some pictures... I'm curious if you got one of the new final production versions or if you got sent one of the earlier pre-production versions before they incorporated their most recent changes. The units at the SHOT show for example were NOT production versions.
Mark

I'm fairly certain this is the final production version. Just from a comparison of the original installation video this model now has pins in the front/rear to hold the pieces that slide in/out and a hinged cover instead of one that separates. There are probably some other minor improvements but I didn't do a close enough examination of the video.

 

[blaxsun]

How the heck did you get yours before Questar?

I'm very creative... Here's a quick comparison between a Hera-Arms GCC (G17) and CAA/EMA RONI (G19). I swapped them around in the second photo so people could see they're approximately the same size (the perspective in the photo can be a bit misleading). The LOP on the GCC is slightly longer than the RONI (even with the stock extended).

 

[RedDuc]

I got my CAA/EMA RONI today!!
Should I bask and gloat for a while longer or quit being an
a** and upload some pictures?

It was 1.5 hours and no pics.... I guess you've answered the A$$ part...

{edit} Ok Duh, I see the pics.... but lets see the slide pull!!!!

 

[blaxsun]

It was 1.5 hours and no pics.... I guess you've answered the A$$ part...

Hey, be nice! I did upload a few; I wanted to play around with it, take some more pictures and do a quick writeup with info on the installation.

 

[blaxsun]

The CAA/EMA RONI Glock conversion kit as it arrives out-of-the-box (installation instructions included by not shown).

By default (like the Hera GCC), the RONI is configured for a Glock 19. To work with a standard model you remove the grip,
remove the bolt from the lower rail and slide the barrel shroud out to the next position. Note: I had a Glock 19 and didn't
need to perform this step.

The front pin pops out - allowing you to slide the forward piece to the left.

Extend the rear stock.

The rear pin pops out as well - then you slide the rear piece to the right. Note: That isn't a defect on the stock - it's gun oil.
Lots of gun oil. The RONI swims in it. And I thought the Norincos were bad (no wonder it ships in a sealed bag!) ...

The top cover swings open to the bottom on a hinge. Note: the hinged cover and pins are design improvements.

This is the ambidextrous charging handle that attaches to the Glock by sliding into the grooves in the rear of the slide.
Note: This is a very tight fit, so I recommend taking it slow to avoid marring the finish on the slide.

The Glock is inserted in the space provided. Note: I preferred the original design where the cover lifted off completely
as opposed to the hinge design; the cover is kind of in the way and it's a bit tedious to work around it at times.

The top cover just snaps shut.

Slide the forward and rear pieces back towards the centre and push the pins back in. Voila!

Apparently this is some sort of trigger guard/safety which is supposed to be engaged before sliding the parts back together
in the previous step... (Oops...! Do as I say - not as I do!)

A view of the other side showing the ejection port and typical wear on my after-market barrel.

 

[blaxsun]

CAA/EMA RONI - First impressions.
Out of the box the RONI looks pretty menacing. It definitely has a futuristic/high-tech look going for it. The polymer is very high-grade with a matte/textured finish for the most part (there are a few parts on the grip and stock that they went high gloss for some unknown reason...).

Installation is fairly straight-forward, though it does involve a few more minor steps than the original video would indicate (more so if you have a standard Glock).

The stock has a slide button in the rear and extends and contracts pretty smoothly. The grip is unique in its' own way, but the sides fit too tightly against the stock and you can see the marks on the polymer just from shipping.

The RONI feels good with the stock collapsed and expanded (I'm medium build/length). I banged my wrist into the magazine holder a few times so hopefully this is due more to my unfamiliarity.

In terms of comparisons with the Hera-Arms GCC, it's hard to do a direct comparison since the Hera GCC is designed to be more semi-permanent (the Glock blends into the design a lot more with the GCC than the RONI). Installation time is about the same (<1-2 minutes). The quality of the RONI is not on par with the Hera GCC, either - although it exceeded my expectations from CAA.

The RONI is also noticeably heavier, and there's more 'play' in the body (due to a combination of the grip and extendable stock). That being said, the RONI comes with a lot of features: removable grip, 4 rails, mag holder and expandable stock. One of the biggest selling points of the RONI over the GCC is that you don't have to remove the rear sights, so converting your Glock back to a pistol is easier than with the GCC.

I like each for different reasons, and despite the different LOP's on both - find them very comparable to shoulder in many respects. Comments/questions welcome.

 

[OZZ]

Seems they both have good and bad points. The Hera kit pretty much makes you have a dedicated Glock or atleast a dedicated upper (fine with me) as changing the sights back and forth is no good.

That Roni slide attachment thingy slides on the uppers grooves? So I guess it will not work on the newer Glocks with the chevron grooves?

 

[blaxsun]

Seems they both have good and bad points. The Hera kit pretty much makes you have a dedicated Glock or atleast a dedicated upper (fine with me) as changing the sights back and forth is no good.

That's more or less my take as well. The Hera GCC is designed to be more semi-permanent, but it's also stronger, lighter and more compact than the RONI. And I can mount a light on the side and still have it take up less space. The 2 sling mounts are also a big plus.

That Roni slide attachment thingy slides on the uppers grooves? So I guess it will not work on the newer Glocks with the chevron grooves?

Nope - not unless you want to epoxy it.

 

[RedDuc]

Thanks for the pix, can you show some other angles on that charging handle.
top/back/underneath?

Thx.

 

[blaxsun]

Thanks for the pix, can you show some other angles on that charging handle.
top/back/underneath?
Thx.

Absolutely - I'll upload some later today. Any other aspects/angles you'd like?

 

[incorrigible]

Just a quick query one of you Glock lads may be able to answer. The left side of the Roni body just above where the pistol grip meets the slide appears to be raised to clear something that is not apparent in the Hera version.

Maybe the controls for the Glock 18 auto version? But then why not on the Hera? Maybe a percieved better access to the slide release?

I have neither the Hera, Roni or Glock but do tend to think about these things...

 

[RedDuc]

It looks like there would not be enough clearance to accomodate the G18 select fire switch on the EMA kit even with that large cut out. for sure the ambi-slide pull as shown here would not be compatible with the autoglock. So a special G18 slide pull would be required.

However,looking at how thick the left side of the slide pull, there is enough clearance
for the G18 switch. Hmmm if only we could get G18s

 

[blaxsun]

Just a quick query one of you Glock lads may be able to answer. The left side of the Roni body just above where the pistol grip would be appears to be raised to clear something that is not apparent in the Hera version.

I believe the body is raised to clear the charging block (this snaps onto the rear of the Glock). I'm going to upload some photos a bit later from some different angles and I'll get some of the inside of the well by the grip.

It looks like there would not be enough clearance to accomodate the G18 select fire switch on the EMA kit even with that large cut out. for sure the ambi-slide pull as shown here would not be compatible with the autoglock. So a special G18 slide pull would be required.

It's wide enough, but you'd need a modified charging handle on the RONI since the charging block snaps right over where the fire selector would be on a Glock 18. And on both the RONI and GCC, there's no way to access the fire control switch (since this would reside behind the polymer body on both models.

Maybe the controls for the Glock 18 auto version? But then why not on the Hera? Maybe a percieved better access to the slide release?

The Hera GCC is wide enough (inside) to accommodate the Glock 18 slide/select fire switch (the slide 'free floats' within the GCC as the Glock is only connected to the GCC through the lower frame). In the Spike's video I suspect they preselected semi or auto before installing the Glock in the GCC.

 

[blaxsun]

Looking forward towards the barrel shroud.

Looking aft towards the sliding stock. You can see the cutout for the charging handle on the lower portion.

The front of the RONI with the adjustable barrel shroud.

Top rear view of the charging handle.

Front bottom view of the charging handle. It's a bit dark, but if you look closely you can see the vertical grooves
on the inside which match the grooves on the Glock slide.

 

[SKYNET]

blaxsun, Just wanted to say thank you for all the legwork you are doing
here and all the information you are sharing. I know I will defiantly be
referring back to your notes when my system arrives. Happy shooting.

 

[blaxsun]

blaxsun, Just wanted to say thank you for all the legwork you are doing here and all the information you are sharing. I know I will defiantly be referring back to your notes when my system arrives. Happy shooting.

Hey, you're more than welcome. Glad I could give everyone a bit of a sneak peek and look 'under the hood'.

 

[pc9]

Yes thank you
Now i wish i knew when mine will arrive

 

[Lazerus2000]

WELL,
SO FAR,
IN THEORY
I still like my KPOS Glock conversion better than the RONI or the HERA.
I like the ease of swapping back and forth between pistol configuration and ??? carbine??? with the KPOS.
I like the smaller, more compact profile with the side folder,
but then I've always preferred side folders over sliders on my shorties.
However,
the RONI does have one very interesting feature that would be invaluable on a real life field gun ....
that sort of trigger block/safety? mechanism.

A Glock, in a proper holster that blocks the trigger guard, is about as safe as it gets.

But a Glock mounted in carbine conversion kit, dangling from a sling,
is a bit scarier than I personally would want to field.

SO RONI WINS BIG POINTS WITH ME FOR CONSIDERING SAFETY AS A PRIORITY!!!

Other than that,
have you managed any range time yet with these carbine conversion units?

I've posted my range experiences with the KPOS,
comparing it to some other CQB options
@ http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435633&page=3
postings 21, 22, & 25.

I am still trying to figure out if the KPOS is my new short range three gun match solution,
or whether to stick with my 10.5" LMT AR 15,
or whether to build a [GROSSLY expensive ] LW Glock magazine fed AR shorty in 9mm or .357 SIG.
But at least, I am having fun playing around.
It is nice to have choices
[;{)
LAZ 1

 

[blaxsun]

Yes, the safety feature is an interesting addition on the RONI (one I believe wasn't present on the original pre-production model). I just got the RONI yesterday, but I haven't had a chance to put in range time with either (I've been busy with pre-Spring cleaning, selling off a few guns and otherwise reducing the amount of equipment I have). Choice is always great!

 

[Beachanator]

This looks awesome... Can't wait to try one out!! Thanks for the great pics...