SHOT SHOW 2011 - Robinson Arms XCR-M

Its pathetic that a thread is started about a product, a gun that many would like to see imported into Canada so that we could have more choice in what we use to shoot, hunt, whatever with... then some CGNers feel the need to hijack the thread and make it into a dump on the individual behind the product.

We are lucky that Robarms probably needs the Canadian market as much as we need Robarms producing for it. I for one (and I'm sure there are many others, CGNers or not) that are happy that manufacturers such as Robarms are willing to produce weapons for the relatively small Canadian market and not just get fed up with all the naysayers and tell us to go f*** ourselves.

In future if you don't have anything construct to contribute to the thread would the naysayers (and you know who you are) just go away, start your own "Lets all dump on Alex Robinson/Robarms" thread elsewhere and let the rest of us discuss the relative merits/detriments of the product. Perhaps the moderators could create a "whiney forum" for such posters who feel the need to constantly make personal attacks on individuals.
 
fugawi said:
Its pathetic that a thread is started about a product, a gun that many would like to see imported into Canada so that we could have more choice in what we use to shoot, hunt, whatever with... then some CGNers feel the need to hijack the thread and make it into a dump on the individual behind the product.

We are lucky that Robarms probably needs the Canadian market as much as we need Robarms producing for it. I for one (and I'm sure there are many others, CGNers or not) that are happy that manufacturers such as Robarms are willing to produce weapons for the relatively small Canadian market and not just get fed up with all the naysayers and tell us to go f*** ourselves.

In future if you don't have anything construct to contribute to the thread would the naysayers (and you know who you are) just go away, start your own "Lets all dump on Alex Robinson/Robarms" thread elsewhere and let the rest of us discuss the relative merits/detriments of the product. Perhaps the moderators could create a "whiney forum" for such posters who feel the need to constantly make personal attacks on individuals.
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I started to see it creep in, and I thought I'd try to preempt it, which only made it worse. It's really mostly my fault so I apologize for that.


As for the gun XCR-M, I can't wait for it! If Wolverine really is working with RobArms to get it imported, maybe they'll put me on a first-buyers list, to help get an idea for the size of the first imported batch. I can't believe how little it appears to recoil, even in full auto, in that vid RobArms posted. Looks pretty sweet!
 
fugawi said:
Its pathetic that a thread is started about a product, a gun that many would like to see imported into Canada so that we could have more choice in what we use to shoot, hunt, whatever with... then some CGNers feel the need to hijack the thread and make it into a dump on the individual behind the product.

We are lucky that Robarms probably needs the Canadian market as much as we need Robarms producing for it. I for one (and I'm sure there are many others, CGNers or not) that are happy that manufacturers such as Robarms are willing to produce weapons for the relatively small Canadian market and not just get fed up with all the naysayers and tell us to go f*** ourselves.

In future if you don't have anything construct to contribute to the thread would the naysayers (and you know who you are) just go away, start your own "Lets all dump on Alex Robinson/Robarms" thread elsewhere and let the rest of us discuss the relative merits/detriments of the product. Perhaps the moderators could create a "whiney forum" for such posters who feel the need to constantly make personal attacks on individuals.
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Nowhere did I nor anyone else make a personal attack. If you think pointing out that someone made a douche move of undercutting a show meant to bring an industry together is representative of a personal attack, add an "oblivious forum" to your list.

FYI, I would and will buy an XCR-M in a heartbeat and think another non-restricted battle rifle to the Canadian market deserves pomp and circumstance, but considering this firearm was their one (non)display being at SHOT 2011? I think this is entirely relevant to this thread.
 
My point is this is a thread discussing product not the person behind it. As ccwcanada said he saw it creeping in, as it does on so many XCR or Robarms threads - like people can't wait to dis Alex Robinson personally. (BTW ccwcanada - its not any of your fault, it keeps happening on so many XCR threads - makes me wonder why people are so insecure about Robarms). Camp Cook saw it and he is a XCR user and has posted favourably about the it. Even the reference in the thread to suitcasing refers not to Alex Robinson but to a company selling cutlery. As for the suite in the hotel - again no mention that it was Robarms by the Shot Show organizers. Its very easy to make unsubstantiated claims on the Internet including here on CGN but in real life if you call someone a fraud you can be sued. Dohhunter do you have any proof that the Shot Show organizers were refering to Alex Robinson or are you just speculating?

And even if he was... is it that so devisive to the firearms industry? As was pointed out - maybe thats all he could afford. Would you rather not have more product available to try out if you were there? What has happen to the American mantra of Free Enterprise? I suspect what the marketing company that puts on the Shot Show doesn't want is any competition.

I welcome more competition in the Firearms industry, especially if it results in more, better and less expensive product.
 
I'm not making a "personal attack" on Alex Robinson, but as the owner of the company who sells the first rifle I want to buy (XCR-?) with my new PAL, I find it hard to comprehend why he would use such underhanded tactics to market his wares...

If he couldn't get a table/booth/spot with the rest of the vendors, he shoulda just said so and not broke industry rules & moron codes of conduct...

But I still want an XCR...

:yingyang:
 
fugawi said:
My point is this is a thread discussing product not the person behind it. As ccwcanada said he saw it creeping in, as it does on so many XCR or Robarms threads - like people can't wait to dis Alex Robinson personally. (BTW ccwcanada - its not any of your fault, it keeps happening on so many XCR threads - makes me wonder why people are so insecure about Robarms). Camp Cook saw it and he is a XCR user and has posted favourably about the it. Even the reference in the thread to suitcasing refers not to Alex Robinson but to a company selling cutlery. As for the suite in the hotel - again no mention that it was Robarms by the Shot Show organizers. Its very easy to make unsubstantiated claims on the Internet including here on CGN but in real life if you call someone a fraud you can be sued. Dohhunter do you have any proof that the Shot Show organizers were refering to Alex Robinson or are you just speculating?

And even if he was... is it that so devisive to the firearms industry? As was pointed out - maybe thats all he could afford. Would you rather not have more product available to try out if you were there? What has happen to the American mantra of Free Enterprise? I suspect what the marketing company that puts on the Shot Show doesn't want is any competition.

I welcome more competition in the Firearms industry, especially if it results in more, better and less expensive product.
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Sure. Look at the very first sentence in this thread.

I suspect the marketing company that puts on the Shot show actually wants its revenue, which is exactly what you are referring to with the mantra of free enterprise.....shocking. They are in their right to issue a warning whether it's based on casing or outboarding. Sure, anyone can outboard, but it is extremely bad taste (more so when it's identified).

Nowhere did I call someone a fraud. In fact, I defended RA in another thread with that amorous customer service letter that went out, please don't put words in my mouth.
 
G37 said:
I believe Troy has a new "lower" version of their popular flip-ups specifically for firearms like the XCR.
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They're called Troy Micros....

They run around $180 unless you find them on sale.

http://www.botachtactical.com/trbasetmi.html
 
Haha, just re-read my post... It should've said, "& moral codes of conduct"...

And since I cant' edit it, this is my disclaimer - I was not calling anyone a moron... :p
 
So Alex Robinson is in a hotel room in Las Vegas at the same time as the Shot Show. And he is showing off his latest product. Is that a crime? Lots of enterprising people tag onto the coattails of other events to make a buck. Have you ever been handbilled by a restaurant while standing in line? Have you ever gone to a movie or a sporting event and paid for parking on a lot not owned by the stadium or under contract to provide parking for an event? Sure the organizers of the event get a cut of the revenue and don't like it when others selling parking nearby. You walk a few blocks further but you get a discount. Are either illegal? So A.R. is saving himself a buck or maybe he couldn't get a booth - who really knows. But the discussion is about product the XCR-M for the next 4 pages then gets hijacked into an discussion on his actions in marketing his product with references to suitcasing and outboarding in post 36 (and the implication it was A.R.doing the suitcasing) and in post 43 his business practices are described as fraudulent. You will also note that others expressed their opinion about the thread straying and becoming a dump on A.R.and Robarms.

This is not an isolated occurance when reading threads about the XCR. And it just get so tiring. And Dohhunter if you read the posts its obvious that you didn't call his business practices fraudulent but the statement was made.

But you didn't answer my question did you?
 
Dohhunter said:
I have no problem with RA, but specifically suitcasing a show which is both against show rules AND in bad taste? No hating here, that's just ugly.

Other choices available to him? Don't go to the show.
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In case its not clear Dohhunter do you have proof that Robarms waas suitcasing the Shot Show in 2011? Or wasa this just speculation on your part?
 
look fugawi, what more proof do you want??

tootall, the op, was in ####ing robarms vegas hotel suite looking at his #### during shot show.

hello??? then also read the definition of outboarding in the other post and you should not require other proof.

that is a fraud, it is dishonest, bad business and if you don't recognize that, then it shows a hell of a lot about you as well. we are not obligated to lick the sweat off his balls just because his rifle is non-restricted. some of us toil honestly and legitimately all our lives and have earned the right to be resentful of the parasites who do not.
 
Only a complete retard for a business owner wouldn't bring his product to a show of such products, even if he had to have his product displayed in a hotel room away from the show due to space/cost/ego whatever.

Believe me, I think Alex Robinson is a dip#### for a couple reasons, but not for showcasing a gun in a Vegas hotel room during the shot show.

####, you guys are a joke, trying to come off so noble.
 
Regardless, doesn't give him a right to attempt to solicit in Show space.
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He NEVER solicited in show space. He had a hospitality suite, he made it known that they'd be there. No evidence he stepped on SHOT space to solicit anything.

Nowhere did I nor anyone else make a personal attack.
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Redpoints accused him of operating a fraud. If that's not a personal attack, then I don't know what is. Suggesting fraudulent behaviour is so serious that alleging it in court documents without evidence is both actionable on its own, it will also invalidate your filings. Fraud is a very serious business to allege, and it certainly fits in the definition of 'personal attack'.
 
Redpoints said:
look fugawi, what more proof do you want??

tootall, the op, was in f**king robarms vegas hotel suite looking at his s**t during shot show.

hello??? then also read the definition of outboarding in the other post and you should not require other proof.

that is a fraud, it is dishonest, bad business and if you don't recognize that, then it shows a hell of a lot about you as well. we are not obligated to lick the sweat off his balls just because his rifle is non-restricted. some of us toil honestly and legitimately all our lives and have earned the right to be resentful of the parasites who do not.
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Agreed. I have no respect for him or his products anymore. I purchased 4 Robarms rifles and when I asked him questions or needed assistance the only thing I got back was his rudeness and arrogance. I sold all of them because of this. Like most of you, I work hard to make a living and to feel good about owning something from someone who profited from me and treats me like s**t and others (his supporters). You may call me a whiner all you want but I treat others (including my customers) how I would want to be treated and don't support those who profit from me and then show blatant disrespect and no courtesy for their customers, competitors and industry alike. Those who disagree with me I would bet have more then likely never dealt with him or needed his assistance before and would have no idea. Perhaps he is not always this way but I've had it done to me once too many times by him and I'm done with him and his company. I could give a s**t what great product he makes, I won't support him anymore then he wouldn't support me or his products. We live in a round world so what goes around...
 
Not a wannabe, but your personal attack makes my point for me: you have no evidence of any sort of fraud. You're just a troll.
 
Redpoints: Is Alex Robinson an #######? Arguably yes. A fraud? Not in the least. If anything i'd have to say the opposite. Mr. Robinson has been quite blunt in his discourse with the public. Thats why a lot of people are all butt hurt on the internet. Is setting up a side show in your own private suite next to the biggest show of the year immoral? Hell no, it's just good old fashioned capitalist business sense. It would be immoral as a businessman to not take advantage of a situation like that. Now as to your calling Mr. Morrison a wannabe lawyer, read his sig line. For the illiterate among us it says "I AM NOT A LAWYER". School is out and have a GREAT day.
 
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