SHOT SHOW 2011 - Shilo Sharps

Alot like the 45/90 for this purpose, this isn't the express version that Winchester championed over 100 years ago, but Sharps version meant for long bullets and long range. I also like the .45/100 but mine is very heavy and recoil is soft, but with an 11 lb. gun recoil could take a toll.
 
Thanks for the info ben. That leads me to another question. If one ordered a reproduction Sharps chambered in say 45-90 would it be the proper chambering, as you described, for long range use? I was unaware there was a difference.
 
Max Owner said:
Thanx Chris.

Pretty well all their calibers have to be hand loaded? No real factory stuff?

Someone told me/read the 45/70 ammo has to be black powder to get the long range stuff out of it.
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You can definitely shoot smokeless out of a .45-70 Shiloh, but it's just so much more fun shooting bp. I used to have a Pedersoli that I shot smokeless out of, but then I switched to the dark side and haven't looked back :)

Everybody is different, but I really like casting and loading bp as well. I think that's a big part of the attraction for me. But then I also like paper patched bullets too and that makes me a bit of an oddball with some bp shooters too ;)

Chris.
 
hend238 said:
Thanks for the info ben. That leads me to another question. If one ordered a reproduction Sharps chambered in say 45-90 would it be the proper chambering, as you described, for long range use? I was unaware there was a difference.
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The Winchester express rifles used a fast twist and light bullets. I don't remember the twist but it's slow. Nowadays 1:18 is the most common for .45 cal bp rifles so you can shoot big heavy bullets with a higher ballistic coefficient for better long range use.

I'm hoping to actually try some long range shooting this year. I've only been shoting bp for a few years and have been too busy working to try those rifles out at a range with some real distance. To date I'm only a 200m bpcr shooter :D

Chris.
 
It is Shiloh Sharps not sharpes and that guy who you said is the president what is his name because Kirk Bryan is the owner of Shiloh Rifle Company and that does not look like him, lunless he has hired someone to run the company and so he and Heather can go and have fun at all the shoots.
 
Gunlaker is right, 16 or 18" twist will put you where you want to be with your .45-2 4/10" or .45/90(same thing), my .45/70 Sharps and my .45/100 (2 6/10")Sharps both have 18" twist and work well for long range, the heaviest bullet that I have tested are 595gr.
 
cdnrokon said:
It is Shiloh Sharps not sharpes and that guy who you said is the president what is his name because Kirk Bryan is the owner of Shiloh Rifle Company and that does not look like him, lunless he has hired someone to run the company and so he and Heather can go and have fun at all the shoots.
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I didn't say he was the owner, just the president, I just read the title on his SHOT SHOW TAG.

as for typos, I presume "lunless" was supposed to read 'unless'

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If you blow up the picture, you can clearly read the name KIRK on his name tag, along with PRES
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double owned!
 
JYC, that is Kirk, no question and he is an owner and the President. His parents, Bob and Phylis and his sister Lucinda also have an interest. I don't expect he would be particularly pleased with that picture. Thank you for posting the photos as I have never had the chance to see the booth in action. Looks good. One other tidbit is that the sights they sell are made by MVA (Montana Vintage Arms) in Belgrade MT owned by Jim Gier. Like the rifles they are about as good as you can get and guaranteed for life.

As to the discussion on caliber for long range work a 40-65 will ring a gong with boring regularity at 1150 yards if the conditions are right. They are lacing in power at that distance. I have only once had a Ram not go down with my 40-65 and it was hard set. The 45-90s being used in the Silhouette game today are traditionally using bullets between 520 and 560 grains compared to the 350 grain slug that the Winchester used in the 1886.

Paul (aka DeadEye on the Shiloh forum)
 
Max Owner said:
Thanx Chris.

Pretty well all their calibers have to be hand loaded? No real factory stuff?

Someone told me/read the 45/70 ammo has to be black powder to get the long range stuff out of it.
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In the documentation that I got with my Shilo Sharps #3 Sporting Rifle they mentioned that a couple of calibers like .45/70 and .38/55 are rated for commercial ammunition. I've taken down steel rams at 500 meters with my .45/70 using IMR 4895.
 
smokeandthunder said:
JYC, that is Kirk, no question and he is an owner and the President. His parents, Bob and Phylis and his sister Lucinda also have an interest. I don't expect he would be particularly pleased with that picture. Thank you for posting the photos as I have never had the chance to see the booth in action. Looks good. One other tidbit is that the sights they sell are made by MVA (Montana Vintage Arms) in Belgrade MT owned by Jim Gier. Like the rifles they are about as good as you can get and guaranteed for life.

As to the discussion on caliber for long range work a 40-65 will ring a gong with boring regularity at 1150 yards if the conditions are right. They are lacing in power at that distance. I have only once had a Ram not go down with my 40-65 and it was hard set. The 45-90s being used in the Silhouette game today are traditionally using bullets between 520 and 560 grains compared to the 350 grain slug that the Winchester used in the 1886.

Paul (aka DeadEye on the Shiloh forum)
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He was beat, any trade show really takes a toll on exhibitors, I've been on the other side of the bench a few times.
Give the guy credit for not just disappearing and letting the staff do the work. He was there, and taking questions from a continuous line of people.
 
JYC,

The staff would have been Heather, his wife, and he wouldn't get away with that. :):) From time to time they will let cutomers give them a hand on the booth but they don't have enough 'staff' hanging around in Big Timber to staff a booth. They would have to take them away from making rifles.

Gunlaker,

Sounds like you're due to make a trip to the Quigley in Forsyth if you haven't reached out past 200 yds to touch something yet. I highly reccommend it. Six hundred people in one place shooting these rifles from sun up to sun down for a whole week will turn your head around. One of my friends goes through 900+ rounds there even though the match is only 48 shots for score.

Paul
 
No big deal JYC He looks different in the picture, I met him and talked with him and his wife and son at the last shoot ,in Bethune very nice people and lots of fun to shoot with.
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Shiloh makes a great rifle and they offer more than just rifles with the online store .I will order one someday .but I have three of but we always want more right?
 
I have a bunch for you Johnl. I have many hundreds of photos from the entire show to sort out though.
 
smokeandthunder said:
JYC,

Gunlaker,

Sounds like you're due to make a trip to the Quigley in Forsyth if you haven't reached out past 200 yds to touch something yet. I highly reccommend it. Six hundred people in one place shooting these rifles from sun up to sun down for a whole week will turn your head around. One of my friends goes through 900+ rounds there even though the match is only 48 shots for score.

Paul
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I love to do the Quigley shoot. Can a Canadian actually get down there with his rifle and a few hundred rounds of BP cartridges without getting rubber gloved at the border? :D

Chris.
 
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