Shot trap for the first time today

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And had a freaking blast. Took a 1 day introductory course at Langley Rod and gun club. Initially had some issues with matching my swing speed with the clay speed, was hitting nothing. Then the light bulb suddenly clicked in the afternoon. Started hitting 2/5 with the semi-auto. Then I switched to a heavier break-action and I noticed the swing was much smoother. Finished the day with 2 rounds of 7/10. My wife was there and also had a blast. Needless to say we are in the market for some sporting shotguns now :) I may pull the trigger on a Citori Crossover target in the next couple days. Any suggestions for a lighter 20g semi-auto for the wife? I know weatherby makes the 20g SA-08 in a youth model, but my wife actually preferred the full length barrel. Can't find too many 20g semi-autos...
 
let her shoot a 12 gauge, try some lighter loads, keep her away from 3 dram shells. A 20 still kicks, and maybe more then a 12.
I've shoot a citori, don't recall the model, maybe a 525, anyway there was very little recoil, amazing actually.
Stay with the 12 gauge.
 
Welcome to the sport. An over/under will be better balanced and the added momentum will make your swing much smoother / more consistent this is especially true when you get into skeet or sporting clays. Enjoy!
 
An over/under will be better balanced and the added momentum will make your swing much smoother / more consistent this is especially true when you get into skeet or sporting clays. Enjoy!

Then why do some top;level trap shooters shoot single barrel guns? As well some top level skeet shooters choose to use semi auto shotguns.

I thought trap rounds were 25 shots...?

They are.
 
Welcome to the madness. Check out the Remington 1100 Sporting models. They come in 20 guage.

Thanks Bac4, actually that was the model I was looking at, but can't seem to find any retailers that stock it

I thought trap rounds were 25 shots...?

Yes, but we were taking group lessons so we had rounds of 10 shots :)


I know 32" barrel is better for trap, but for an all-round gun do you think a 30" barrel will suffice for an O/U?
 
You need to define what you mean by overall. A good clays gun will not necessarily transfer over for hunting and vice versa. Find someone knowledgeable and get there help, get fitted, and for the most part don't be afraid to buy used....within reason.

If you think that your going to get into this in a big way, then don't buy one of the bargain guns. More respected brands cost more for a reason, and if you decide to quit, are easier to resell and recoup your money. I would think that for the autos the Sa-08 would be the minimum, with a used "B" gun or 1100 also top choices. The 1100 is a heavier choice, but that weight along with using target loads might make it more manageable for recoil for your wife.
 
Sorry, not for hunting. I will be using primarily for trap now, but would like to get into skeet/sporting clays as I improve. The Citori crossover comes as 30" or 32" barrel. I was thinking 30" so I can use for all 3 sports. I don't plan on competing, just something fun to do on the weekends with the wife :)
 
All good points for you above.

I LOVE clays, but have yet to set foot in a competition. It's a great lifelong sport, and it's great news that your wife love it too!!! There's a beauty .410 citori in the EE if you have little ones, or, if you're like me and enjoy embarrassing people with big mouths by beating them in a round with a .410 while they have a 12g!!! I'd be buying it myself, but we already have one. We'll knock off 1000 rounds easy with friends in our pasture on a weekend.

I agree fully with the "stick to 12g" comment. We bought a citori 20g for Megan, and it kicks just as hard as my 12g because of the 1.5lbs in lost weight. The only advantage of the 20g is that it's a bit easier for her to swing.

As for length of barrel, get what you can, meaning don't pass on a good deal because the barrels are 2" from what someone said is "best". Being fitted is crucial. I'd suggest looking for a gun with a raised rib and barrel ports. If you find one that doesn't quite fit your face and build, there's a recent thread on here of someone who had a adjustable comb added for 185$. Don't be scared of used. Most people that buy a citori or perazzi or beretta also take care of them. I don't know much about semi autos, so I'm not of much help there. I do know the versa max and benellis are highly regarded and quite good value. I love our o/u's and see them as really classic heirlooms for our family, but that's just me. You may feel the same about a semi.

These guns are not common, but keep the money set aside, cause occasionally you'll find one on clearance. My trap XT was 1900$, and the .410 was 1600$. That's when you should jump on it!! If cash isn't a huge issue for you, there is a gorgeous XT in the EE right now, but it's pretty fancy and around $4k.

When you do find a gun, don't cheap out on the case!! Browning has some beauty leather and waxed canvas ones that are reasonably priced on optics planet.

I'd also suggest, at the risk of being taunted/bashed/poked at by various CGN heroes, a recoil shirt. No matter how thick you are, 250 rounds of 12g is gonna leave a mark. We both have Evo shirts, and love them. No bruise since I got mine. About 55$. They are meant to fit tight like an under armour, and you wear whatever overtop.

If you're hoping to do both trap and skeet with one gun, it'll always be a compromise on both. For skeet you want a very snappy little gun, 26"-ish barrel, and for trap you want that smooth swing and added pellet velocity of the 32"-ish. I'm a fan of the two bead sights, and the hi-viz bead at the muzzle. I'd honestly pick one for now, and if you want to go to the other later get a second shotgun, but that's just me - compromise bugs me.

As for why some shooters use one barrel vs two, and short vs long, etc - there a lots of variations of this game. Single, double, American, Olympic, etc, etc... I don't know them all, or what the rules are, but I know they're out there and that's why there are so many different variation on guns, and opinions to follow. I do know that to be competitive, your looking at being in the 97-99% hit rate, sometimes even 100%. Don't let that discourage you, but it's true. Around here I know that it's also an "old mans game" - meaning there are few young shooters. My contact at our club is my age (37), and he says he's the youngest by 20 years. It's sure be nice to add some more 12-50 year olds!!! When I was a kid it was a "rich mans game", but now that a pair of skates cost 600$+, and a hockey stick is 300$+, I'd say it's now pretty average....

I only have 2 technique suggestions. 1. IMO your shoulder and cheek weld are crucial to getting your eye looking right down the rail. Hence the need to fitting. Practice bringing the gun from your hip to your shoulder. 100reps per night to develop muscle memory. Only takes 10 min, and helps a lot.

2. Clays are not a game of precision, they're a game of feel and flow. They draw on the deeper, more "automatic" parts of your brain, the ones that make your slapshot 10MPH faster, or allow you to hit home runs. It's 85% hand eye, and 15% muscle. Do not overthink, let it flow. Take a deep breath, shake things loose, and enjoy!!

Wish you all the best!! It's a damn fun game!!!

-J.

ps - after you get a few 10/10 or 25/25, let me know and I'll send you the rules for 20/10!!!!
 
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All good points for you above.

I LOVE clays, but have yet to set foot in a competition. It's a great lifelong sport, and it's great news that your wife love it too!!! There's a beauty .410 citori in the EE if you have little ones, or, if you're like me and enjoy embarrassing people with big mouths by beating them in a round with a .410 while they have a 12g!!! I'd be buying it myself, but we already have one. We'll knock off 1000 rounds easy with friends in our pasture on a weekend.

I agree fully with the "stick to 12g" comment. We bought a citori 20g for Megan, and it kicks just as hard as my 12g because of the 1.5lbs in lost weight. The only advantage of the 20g is that it's a bit easier for her to swing.

As for length of barrel, get what you can, meaning don't pass on a good deal because the barrels are 2" from what someone said is "best". Being fitted is crucial. I'd suggest looking for a gun with a raised rib and barrel ports. If you find one that doesn't quite fit your face and build, there's a recent thread on here of someone who had a adjustable comb added for 185$. Don't be scared of used. Most people that buy a citori or perazzi or beretta also take care of them. I don't know much about semi autos, so I'm not of much help there. I do know the versa max and benellis are highly regarded and quite good value. I love our o/u's and see them as really classic heirlooms for our family, but that's just me. You may feel the same about a semi.

These guns are not common, but keep the money set aside, cause occasionally you'll find one on clearance. My trap XT was 1900$, and the .410 was 1600$. That's when you should jump on it!! If cash isn't a huge issue for you, there is a gorgeous XT in the EE right now, but it's pretty fancy and around $4k.

When you do find a gun, don't cheap out on the case!! Browning has some beauty leather and waxed canvas ones that are reasonably priced on optics planet.

I'd also suggest, at the risk of being taunted/bashed/poked at by various CGN heroes, a recoil shirt. No matter how thick you are, 250 rounds of 12g is gonna leave a mark. We both have Evo shirts, and love them. No bruise since I got mine. About 55$. They are meant to fit tight like an under armour, and you wear whatever overtop.

If you're hoping to do both trap and skeet with one gun, it'll always be a compromise on both. For skeet you want a very snappy little gun, 26"-ish barrel, and for trap you want that smooth swing and added pellet velocity of the 32"-ish. I'm a fan of the two bead sights, and the hi-viz bead at the muzzle. I'd honestly pick one for now, and if you want to go to the other later get a second shotgun, but that's just me - compromise bugs me.

As for why some shooters use one barrel vs two, and short vs long, etc - there a lots of variations of this game. Single, double, American, Olympic, etc, etc... I don't know them all, or what the rules are, but I know they're out there and that's why there are so many different variation on guns, and opinions to follow. I do know that to be competitive, your looking at being in the 97-99% hit rate, sometimes even 100%. Don't let that discourage you, but it's true. Around here I know that it's also an "old mans game" - meaning there are few young shooters. My contact at our club is my age (37), and he says he's the youngest by 20 years. It's sure be nice to add some more 12-50 year olds!!! When I was a kid it was a "rich mans game", but now that a pair of skates cost 600$+, and a hockey stick is 300$+, I'd say it's now pretty average....

I only have 2 technique suggestions. 1. IMO your shoulder and cheek weld are crucial to getting your eye looking right down the rail. Hence the need to fitting. Practice bringing the gun from your hip to your shoulder. 100reps per night to develop muscle memory. Only takes 10 min, and helps a lot.

2. Clays are not a game of precision, they're a game of feel and flow. They draw on the deeper, more "automatic" parts of your brain, the ones that make your slapshot 10MPH faster, or allow you to hit home runs. It's 85% hand eye, and 15% muscle. Do not overthink, let it flow. Take a deep breath, shake things loose, and enjoy!!

Wish you all the best!! It's a damn fun game!!!

-J.

ps - after you get a few 10/10 or 25/25, let me know and I'll send you the rules for 20/10!!!!

Most people are not using 26" barrels for skeet anymore. 28-30" are the most common these days, with some people shooting 32" barrels. As far as beads, I avoid hi viz, because I don't want anything distracting me from concentrating on the target. If you try to aim usinng the beads, you are beaten before you start.
 
Most people are not using 26" barrels for skeet anymore. 28-30" are the most common these days, with some people shooting 32" barrels. As far as beads, I avoid hi viz, because I don't want anything distracting me from concentrating on the target. If you try to aim usinng the beads, you are beaten before you start.

I can see your point - I guess now that I think about it, I don't ever "see" the dots, just the bird....

-J.
 
Thanks for all the advice guys, will go to our local dealer next weekend and see if we can find a 12g semi-auto that fits my wife.

Lucky me, I just found a Citori Crossover target on sale with today being last day of sale, +$100 browning mail-in rebate :) Can't wait to shoot some more, can't believe I didn't start this earlier!
 
Justin is a great teacher! I wish he was a sponsor here on CGN so I could plug his training classes without earning the ire of The Powers That Be.

As many have said here already, fitment is of great importance, so I would suggest dropping Justin an email asking for a recommendation to see 'his guy' @ Reliable in Vancouver.

:shotgun:

Also, a discussion of shotgun fitment differences between gents and ladies:

http://www.shotgunlife.com/shotgun-lives/women-shooters/women-and-shotguns.html
 
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And had a freaking blast. Took a 1 day introductory course at Langley Rod and gun club. Initially had some issues with matching my swing speed with the clay speed, was hitting nothing. Then the light bulb suddenly clicked in the afternoon. Started hitting 2/5 with the semi-auto. Then I switched to a heavier break-action and I noticed the swing was much smoother. Finished the day with 2 rounds of 7/10. My wife was there and also had a blast. Needless to say we are in the market for some sporting shotguns now :) I may pull the trigger on a Citori Crossover target in the next couple days. Any suggestions for a lighter 20g semi-auto for the wife? I know weatherby makes the 20g SA-08 in a youth model, but my wife actually preferred the full length barrel. Can't find too many 20g semi-autos...

I am also in the same situation compared to you. I started shooting trap since last winter and my wife started picking up trapshooting this summer. She is about 5'6" and 140 lbs. I also told her to "try to stick with 12 gauge" meanwhile getting the CHALL. LIGHT LOAD #7.5 for $61.95 semi-locally.

The gun she is using now is Baikal IZH 18 Sporting with Monte-Carlo Walnut stock. It's just a hair over 6 lbs which is what's my wife capable of handling at this moment for weight size. She also need a bit shorter LOP so I had to swap for a very thin limbsaver recoil pad. She can take the kick with the light load. Currently her biggest challenge is to work the actions of the gun since it is still stiff. Her mounting positions is good but she just need practice. She also tried Beretta A391 semi auto, which was too heavy for her, and with actions and barrels pushed forward being a semi auto, a bit front-heavy for her. My next goal is to get her a 26" over/under brown micro midas (cynergy or citori) once she can deal with the gun weight.. Unless she sticks with light load shells then Franchi Instinct L/SL are the only over/under that's about 6 lbs. And then I have to figure out how to resolve the LOP issue...

I was using Winchester SXP Trap 32" since start of the year, and just recently got a browning xt trap 32" used from Ellwood Epps. It was funny that the used shotgun had IC and LM chokes in the barrels. I suspect the previous owner used it for skeet... and I can see why. I just tried 1 round of skeet last weekend with it. Obviously most of us just calls for the bird after mounting the gun, since its informal practice, but I had a blast. Once I figured out how much lead to aim for, I was breaking most of the targets during singles and maybe miss 25% on doubles. Another guy shot with us gave me some tips for the last station, so I broke the second target by "covering the bird with the barrel". I can see why someone would use an XT trap 32" for skeet now. I personally like heavy things when swinging around, such as tennis rackets and in this case, shotguns. XT trap is about 8.5 lbs and I feel the swing for me is about right. My SXP Trap was 7.5 lbs and I felt it could be a bit uncontrollable during station 1 extreme left & station 5 extreme right trap targets. All I need now is to order a shorter servo bolt for the shotgun adjustable comb feature and stick a morgan buttpad on it, adjust the butt plate vertically, and call it a day. As for ammo, I used both Challenger handicap shells and light load shells. and I can say that the light load shells are about 25% less felt recoil on SXP trap shotgun compare to that of the handicap shells.

If you and your wife have roughly same LOP, get a shotgun with adjustable comb and let her try it out. as long as she can handle heavier shotguns, it would help to reduce felt recoil on light loads. As someone said already. 28" and 30" barrels are not unheard of for skeet shooting. If your focus is more on trap, make sure to get monte carlo stock to reduce inconsistent sighting planes due to inconsistent mounting locations.
 
That would make sense now. I can see how IC would work for first shot on double trap. But I'm still slow on the second shot so I still need a full. LM on second shot is pro grade stuff.
 
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