Shotgun Dummy Shells

I shoot all over the planet and the discussion comes up a lot. Making home dummy rounds is one of the dumbest things you can do. A dummy round should be immediately visually different from any live round, and yet people still make mistakes somehow. We've got a nice hole in the wall from an agency that fired a live round from a C8 in our dry training area. And that was with them using plastic dummy rounds.
Any top level instructor will tell you the same thing, spend the money on proper dummy rounds. Anyone who thinks and does otherwise is inviting trouble.
 
We've got a nice hole in the wall from an agency that fired a live round from a C8 in our dry training area. And that was with them using plastic dummy rounds.
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How did they get plastic dummy rounds to fire?
If even a totally distinguishable dummy round like a plastic round can fire, then there is no hope.


Its a good thing shotgun shells come in a plethora of colours, and one trip to the trap range can get you all the hulls you need that are a different colour than what you might personally use.

I'd suggest anyone who falls into the category of the dozens and dozens of people who have had incident,
a) Dry fire extends to the person as well, don't drink and dry fire
b) if you have complied with a) and are still too stupid to identify a live round, please do not handle firearms at all.
 
All the Shotgun and 3 Gun threads and talk of upcoming matches has inspired me to do some shotgun loading practice in the off season ...instead of the night before a match like I usually do.

Really liked the dummy rounds I bought at Brownells a few yrs back, but they are pretty beat up these days and are getting hung up when I feed them into the tube and are not ejecting from tube easily either. So time to replace them. Other than making my own, as I don’t load shotgun or know anyone that does, has anyone found a good quality less expensive alternative to Brownells dummy rounds?

Understand the concept of economies of scale, but price differential between what I can buy a box of live SG shells and dummy rounds seems totally out of whack.

Just use real shells. Good grief what is this world coming to
 
Clearly some people like Slavex can learn from the misfortune of others, and other people cannot fathom how that situation could ever apply to them. I'm sure each person out there who did shoot their TV or cat through negligence, figured they would never make that mistake. Yet somehow they were wrong.
 
Clearly some people like Slavex can learn from the misfortune of others, and other people cannot fathom how that situation could ever apply to them. I'm sure each person out there who did shoot their TV or cat through negligence, figured they would never make that mistake. Yet somehow they were wrong.

With this logic no one should be driving cars, because a select few have car accidents????
 
With this logic why use toilet paper when u can use ur handkerchief.
All kidding aside..I thought dummy rounds were invented as a product of natural selection. Stupid ones died and smart ones continues their gene pool.
 
With this logic no one should be driving cars, because a select few have car accidents????
Your "logic" is seriously flawed.

Not sure why you'd be arguing against the fact it is definitely wiser to have dummy rounds that are so different looking from regular ammo, in order to reduce the chances of an incident. I see videos of you guys all the time on Fail Army, etc. Let me know when you're on TV! My TV will be the one with no bullet holes in it. lol!
 
No one is arguing that having dummy ammo that is distinguishable from live ammo is somehow a bad thing.

To make the statement that "making home dummy rounds is one of the dumbest things you can do" is one of the dumbest things I've read in a while.

If people are stupid enough that they are discharging live ammo during dryfire, they are unsafe and should not be trusted with firearms.
If you can't take the 10 seconds that it takes to ensure the ammo you are using is inert, or if you don't have the mental capacity to tell if a round is inert or live, you should not be handling firearms.

These dozens and dozens of people referenced earlier, it wouldn't matter what colour the dummy rounds were, they would find a way to mix in live ammo that look totally different.
Why? because they are idiots and should not be handling firearms!!!

Slavex even proved it himself with his story about the "agency" handling C8s and using plastic dummy rounds, but still managed to light off a live round.
Idiots + firearms = no bueno.
 
Your "logic" is seriously flawed.

Not sure why you'd be arguing against the fact it is definitely wiser to have dummy rounds that are so different looking from regular ammo, in order to reduce the chances of an incident. I see videos of you guys all the time on Fail Army, etc. Let me know when you're on TV! My TV will be the one with no bullet holes in it. lol!

Yep...all the words you wrote were English, but they make no sense...
Please don't come back until you have a logical argument.
 
Making dummy rounds at home leads to fu*kups, because you might not be able to tell the difference between your special dummy round and a live round. If you take the time to make it so completely obvious that you can tell the difference no matter how tired you are, what the lighting is and so on, sure, that might be fine. But for that effort you can buy purpose built, quality rounds that are immediately distinguishable from any live round. Given the number of ####ups I've heard about in my 20+ years of shooting all over the planet, and as I said above, even had happen at my club with an agency during dedicated dry training. is it worth the risk to use home made ones simply because you're thrifty or handy? And, given how when discussing this very thing with people at ranges around the globe, the explanations are almost always the same, "I/we make my/our own dummy rounds with range brass or hulls, never thought it would be a problem until a live round somehow was under a table or under a couch, and got mixed in with the dummies. Since they look the same, or very close to, it got loaded into the gun and boom" It's amazing how many of you are willing to argue this point to save $30. If you're a serious shooter and are doing dryfire your live round budget is going to dwarf the cost of a dozen or two dedicated dummy rounds. In the event of an accident you get to have the fun of explaining that you thought your home made rounds were safe enough. Wouldn't want to be that guy.
 
I made my own dummy rounds out of live rounds, but I would never ever recommend that, and won't tell you how to do it. There is a lot of room for mistakes to be made, and dire consequences if they are. I was poor and, though I was careful and took precautions, drilling into live shells was still very, very stupid. After the fact though, they work awesome. There is no better substitute than the real thing, I haven't found any commercial dummy rounds that feel and grip like real ones. I would highly suggest getting a reloader friend to make some for you without primer or powder ever involved instead of risking it like I did.

**IMPORTANT SAFETY TIPS**To make them I bought a box of shells that I never use operationally, which look unmistakably different from the shells I use. (ie. if you only shoot red Fed/Win trap shells, make blue dummies) If you get some made, get all of them made. Don't keep any live ones of the same type. They stay segregated from live shells, kept in a specific drawer only for dummy rounds, with a known quantity. Just like commercial explosives, they are counted when taken out and counted when put back in. I do not ever bring any live rounds into the room where I practice. Every piece of ammo, and every magazine, are checked, double checked, and checked again before I start practicing. Also, while I refill my caddies during practice, I'll usually have a quick look at the former primers just to have the comfort of seeing epoxy instead of brass. Honestly just treat it with the same principle that you treat any firearm. Always assume it's dangerous until positively confirmed to be safe.
 
Just out of curiosity;

Why is anyone pulling the trigger on their shotgun while practicing quad-loading?

Is this some new technique that I haven't heard of yet?
 
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