Shotgun Questions

If you are of average build, chances are most guns will fit you. Each will have a different feel, but at this stage of the game as a brand new beginner, none of it will mean anything to you.

Buy whichever gun you think you like, then go to the local clays club and pay for professional instruction. Repeat: pay for professional instruction. As a new shooter, it's worth it's weight in empty shotshells and unbroken targets.

After a few thousand rounds, you'll be able to pick up on the difference between a 28" and a 30" barrel. Inertia vs gas, fit, etc. Then you can really get picky about what kind of gun you want.
 
Another versatile shotgun for the clay sports is the Fabarm xlr5. It has an adjustable comb and rib. You can customize the weight of the gun. They are fairly soft to shoot.
 
Grouse Man said:
If you are of average build, chances are most guns will fit you Each will have a different feel, but at this stage of the game as a brand new beginner, none of it will mean anything to you.

Buy whichever gun you think you like, then go to the local clays club and pay for professional instruction. Repeat: pay for professional instruction. As a new shooter, it's worth it's weight in empty shotshells and unbroken targets.

After a few thousand rounds, you'll be able to pick up on the difference between a 28" and a 30" barrel. Inertia vs gas, fit, etc. Then you can really get picky about what kind of gun you want.
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I strongly disagree, if most Brownings fit you, then most Berettas will not fit you, due to the major differences in the drop at comb.
 
stubblejumper said:
I strongly disagree, if most Brownings fit you, then most Berettas will not fit you, due to the major differences in the drop at comb.
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I think this brings up an interesting question that I have often wondered about. How do manufacturers choose their standard dimensions? It seems logical that they would tailor them to suit an "average build". If production Brownings are significantly different from production Berettas, what is the reason for this? Differences in the average American vs European? Differences of opinion as to what constitutes proper fit? FWIW I have both Brownings and Berettas that I feel fit me quite well. I would consider myself of average build and have always assumed this is why most guns feel good in my hands.
 
BadRonald said:
I think this brings up an interesting question that I have often wondered about. How do manufacturers choose their standard dimensions? It seems logical that they would tailor them to suit an "average build". If production Brownings are significantly different from production Berettas, what is the reason for this? Differences in the average American vs European? Differences of opinion as to what constitutes proper fit? FWIW I have both Brownings and Berettas that I feel fit me quite well. I would consider myself of average build and have always assumed this is why most guns feel good in my hands.
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How are you determining that the shotguns actually fit you?
 
BadRonald said:
I think this brings up an interesting question that I have often wondered about. How do manufacturers choose their standard dimensions? It seems logical that they would tailor them to suit an "average build". If production Brownings are significantly different from production Berettas, what is the reason for this? Differences in the average American vs European? Differences of opinion as to what constitutes proper fit? FWIW I have both Brownings and Berettas that I feel fit me quite well. I would consider myself of average build and have always assumed this is why most guns feel good in my hands.
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I recently bought a stock from a Beretta distributor / custom stock maker in the US and was told that most stocks are typically designed for a male right-handed shooter who is 5'9", 165lb, 33-inch arm length, and wears 40-regular suit. Don't no if that is specific to Beretta or not. I find that Browning stocks are a little shorter and have more drop.
 
stubblejumper said:
How are you determining that the shotguns actually fit you?
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They shoulder nicely for me, give a good sight picture when shouldering with eyes closed, feel comfortable in handling and shooting, hit where I am aiming. I am not an expert in fitting, but have done my best to educate myself on how to assess it based on reading and seeking advice from others. Whether the guns I routinely shoot are close to a perfect fit for me, I have no idea, but they seem to differ very little from one another for me. I have had other people tell me "that gun fits you well" about a variety of different makes and models, although I cannot comment on the accuracy of these opinions. I suspect I am pretty average, and many models fit me reasonably well. I would like to find a stock fitter I can trust to tell me what my ideal dimensions are so I can one day have that perfect fitting gun. Hopefully I can make that happen.

Regarding Browning vs Beretta, if someone's ideal dimensions are halfway between the Browning and Beretta standards, both guns would fit them equally well, at least in theory, right?
 
I use my Benelli M4 for skeet and trap all the time with awesome results, that gun will out shoot most
 
gdawg said:
I recently bought a stock from a Beretta distributor / custom stock maker in the US and was told that most stocks are typically designed for a male right-handed shooter who is 5'9", 165lb, 33-inch arm length, and wears 40-regular suit. Don't no if that is specific to Beretta or not. I find that Browning stocks are a little shorter and have more drop.
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That actually describes my physique very well.

Other than custom fit, I have to say the experience may vary from individual to individual and even shotgun to shotgun. European off-the-shelf shotguns tend to fit me very well. Quite a number of years back, my conviction about Browning was - based on handling only, no shooting experience at that point in time - that I wasn't obtaining a good fit because my sight picture always involved seeing partial rib. Particularly since that wasn't the case with my Beretta guns that I was able to shoot well. Besides, the Brownings from that period felt like clubs.

However, I was eventually surprised to discover that I could place patterns with the Browning equally well despite the rib in the sight picture - used Citoris 12 725, 20ga 525/625 and Lighting versions, 20 BPS Upland Special and a Browning Gold 20 with similar results.

Presently, the only Browning that I own is a 20 Citori Upland Spl (presently discontinued). That shotgun fits me exactly the same way as my Berettas. On the other hand, I see quite a bit of rib when I mount the 20 and 28 Citori Superlight Feathers (similar product albeit with a longer bbl) although I haven't shot any so far. Few years back, I had bought a 28ga CG Magnus Grouse (built on a 20 frame), same sight picture as a Beretta 20. The gun shot where I looked but at the same time my cheek was receiving a good beating. I ended up selling the firearm.
 
Ahsan Ahmed said:
That actually describes my physique very well.

Other than custom fit, I have to say the experience may vary from individual to individual and even shotgun to shotgun. European off-the-shelf shotguns tend to fit me very well. Quite a number of years back, my conviction about Browning was - based on handling only, no shooting experience at that point in time - that I wasn't obtaining a good fit because my sight picture always involved seeing partial rib. Particularly since that wasn't the case with my Beretta guns that I was able to shoot well. Besides, the Brownings from that period felt like clubs.

However, I was eventually surprised to discover that I could place patterns with the Browning equally well despite the rib in the sight picture - used Citoris 12 725, 20ga 525/625 and Lighting versions, 20 BPS Upland Special and a Browning Gold 20 with similar results.

Presently, the only Browning that I own is a 20 Citori Upland Spl (presently discontinued). That shotgun fits me exactly the same way as my Berettas. On the other hand, I see quite a bit of rib when I mount the 20 and 28 Citori Superlight Feathers (similar product albeit with a longer bbl) although I haven't shot any so far. Few years back, I had bought a 28ga CG Magnus Grouse (built on a 20 frame), same sight picture as a Beretta 20. The gun shot where I looked but at the same time my cheek was receiving a good beating. I ended up selling the firearm.
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Those dimensions are pretty much mine as well. Of all the guns I've handled, the 725 12 gauge feels the best, but the 686s with a slightly shorter stocks (particularly the 20s) also seem to work for me.
 
The 686s used to come with two recoil pads. I swapped out my guns with the thin one as that offers the proper LOP for me. I believe Beretta now provides only a single pad with the SP 1s.
 
Shoot guns are not enough for better clay shooting performance while clay shooter must be confident and mentally prepared during the clay shooting which is possible by clay shooting mental training. Moreover, you can find collection of shoot guns and choke tubes from ]www.mullerchoketubes. com.
 
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dawngrant said:
Shoot guns are not enough for better clay shooting performance while clay shooter must be confident and mentally prepared during the clay shooting which is possible by clay shooting mental training. Moreover, you can find collection of shoot guns and choke tubes from ]www.mullerchoketubes. com.
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If you are going to keep trying to advertise choke tubes and shotguns for muller, you should be aware that they are shotguns, not shootguns.:p
 
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