shotgun shells to scare bears off?

A while back near here, a chap decided to scare a bear off with those bear bangers and lit
a fire that got to be a major concern for the folks that fight them.
I forget the story, but they were going to hang him with the cost of putting the fire out.
Go mean or go home.

The DNR used to give cracker shells to farmers for scaring birds off their grain fields, but stopped for that reason. They were also extremely dirty and corrosive. Now everyone uses propane bangers, but birds get used to them after a while.

A light target load of 7 1/2 shot to the ass from 50 yards+ is also an effective bear deterrent. :)
 
I'd rather launch crack flares from a pen launcher or if weight is not a factor, a 26.5mm flare gun with an adaptor. That way my long gun is not tied up with hazing rounds nor is it exposed to the corrosive primers.
 
I heard marine hand held flares are way more effective to scare off. And if I had a shotgun it better be loaded with slugs.
 
You know as un gunnut as it sounds an airhorn works very well on some bears.A lot of our bears are so used to cracker shells that they don't even notice them.

pounder
 
Worked with geologists for 30 years - lots of stories of firing bear bangers PAST bears & speeding up their approach as a result.
Also bears speeding their approach even though the banger went off where it was supposed to.
One group took a portable electric fence one year as a deterrent as they were in major bear country for three months.
Upon their return I asked how the fence had worked. They had a herd of Caribou take it out one night, a momma bear and cubs came into camp for a look-see another night, and on one occasion they found a wolf industriously chewing on it.
They didn't bother with it the next year.
Mostly they try to rely on bangers and pepper spray, but they always have a 12ga. or 30-06 at hand as well.(LOTSA RCMP paperwork if they have to kill a polar bear)
One young fella ran into a Brown in an Alder swamp, so hosed the pepper spray. Unfortunately, the wind was not favourable, so he got a good dose himself.
He said after a few minutes of mucous membrane draining and eye watering he managed to open his eyes to find himself lying on the ground just a couple of feet from the bear who was also lying there with running nose and rubbing watering eyes.
After a minute or so they both crawled away in different directions.

Get yer spray and bangers and bells, but keep a 12ga. at hand 'just in case'

(Air horn sounds good too)
 
he managed to open his eyes to find himself lying on the ground just a couple of feet from the bear who was also lying there with running nose and rubbing watering eyes

ROFL... I can picture them looking at each other and saying "Sorry Bro, let's just let this one go, eh?" :)
 
Apparently,that's almost how it went.
He said it was kind of revolting being that close to a Very snotty-nosed bear.
 
A while back near here, a chap decided to scare a bear off with those bear bangers and lit
a fire that got to be a major concern for the folks that fight them.
I forget the story, but they were going to hang him with the cost of putting the fire out.
Go mean or go home.

How long ago was this? I don't recall hearing the story
 
slugs vs buckshot?

is there really an advantage between one or the other?

I could see slug would have good stopping power but buckshot would spread abit and be abit more forgiving no?
 
slugs vs buckshot?

is there really an advantage between one or the other?

I could see slug would have good stopping power but buckshot would spread abit and be abit more forgiving no?

No, No, No!
When shooting in a defensive scenario, the range is short . . . maybe very short. As a rule of thumb, the shot pattern spreads at a rate of about 1" for each yard of range. If you're shooting at 3 yards, your marksmanship with buckshot had better be as good as if it were a slug.

In a dangerous bear situation, a slug is the preferred shotgun projectile. Buckshot has its place, but that place is very specific. Those specific situations are when the shooting is in a built up or crowded area, such as in a campground, a cottage subdivision, or in a town. Choosing shot under those circumstances is prudent as the shot is less likely to injure anyone beyond the target. Should there be through and through penetration, the pellet(s) won't have much velocity left if someone is hit, so the injury is not likely to be life threatening. It was some years ago now, but I saw a local fellow shoot a bear in the face with a load of birdshot at contact close range, when the bear tried to push his way into the house. The bear rubber legged it off his deck, stumbled along for 100' or so, before dropping. The DNR guys shot it again when they arrived, but I doubt it was going anywhere. That doesn't mean I endorse the use of birdshot in a dangerous bear scenario, but it worked that day, and happily no pellets blew through the bear to injure us, or anyone else.

In an unpopulated area, if you have bear trouble, you wants slugs in that shotgun. If the bear is attacking a companion, would you risk the use of shot in that circumstance? Should that kind of situation unravel while you're 25 yards away with a buckshot loaded shotgun, you're status has just been reduced to that of an observer. With a slug, you can still influence the situation. A slug makes a deeper wound than pellets do and breaks the big bones that would stop pellets. A bear can't hurt you if he can't touch you, so the key is to stop his forward progression. Your best chance of doing that when you're armed with a shotgun is to load that shotgun with slugs.
 
No, No, No!
When shooting in a defensive scenario, the range is short . . . maybe very short. As a rule of thumb, the shot pattern spreads at a rate of about 1" for each yard of range. If you're shooting at 3 yards, your marksmanship with buckshot had better be as good as if it were a slug.

In a dangerous bear situation, a slug is the preferred shotgun projectile. Buckshot has its place, but that place is very specific. Those specific situations are when the shooting is in a built up or crowded area, such as in a campground, a cottage subdivision, or in a town. Choosing shot under those circumstances is prudent as the shot is less likely to injure anyone beyond the target. Should there be through and through penetration, the pellet(s) won't have much velocity left if someone is hit, so the injury is not likely to be life threatening. It was some years ago now, but I saw a local fellow shoot a bear in the face with a load of birdshot at contact close range, when the bear tried to push his way into the house. The bear rubber legged it off his deck, stumbled along for 100' or so, before dropping. The DNR guys shot it again when they arrived, but I doubt it was going anywhere. That doesn't mean I endorse the use of birdshot in a dangerous bear scenario, but it worked that day, and happily no pellets blew through the bear to injure us, or anyone else.

In an unpopulated area, if you have bear trouble, you wants slugs in that shotgun. If the bear is attacking a companion, would you risk the use of shot in that circumstance? Should that kind of situation unravel while you're 25 yards away with a buckshot loaded shotgun, you're status has just been reduced to that of an observer. With a slug, you can still influence the situation. A slug makes a deeper wound than pellets do and breaks the big bones that would stop pellets. A bear can't hurt you if he can't touch you, so the key is to stop his forward progression. Your best chance of doing that when you're armed with a shotgun is to load that shotgun with slugs.

obviously I wouldn't use birdshot but 00/000 buck my main concern is I have a full choke shotgun as my only shotgun. Its an older one so there isn't any swapping of chokes and I don't have money to buy any new guns right now.

I do have a 308 semi auto (which I don't overly trust for life and death I had it fail while hunting) and an sks... my question then would it be safe to shoot a slug out of a full choke? seems unsmart to me but maybe I'm wrong.

I'm young 23 year old and don't have a crap ton of money. Forgive me for my inexperience.
 
It is perfectly safe to shoot slugs from a full choked shotgun, I have done it hundreds of times. Slugs are designed not to harm full chocked guns. Forget the buckshot and/or bird shot as they are not good against an aggressive predator even at point blank range (better than a sharp stick) but slugs are what you want to have in your shotgun if you encounter a probem bear.
If you have a semi auto 308 that would far and away be my preference, if it has been unreliable in the past, clean and oil it up correctly and try it again, if it is still not 100% maybe get it looked at or sell it and get yourself a good bolt gun.
 
obviously I wouldn't use birdshot but 00/000 buck my main concern is I have a full choke shotgun as my only shotgun. Its an older one so there isn't any swapping of chokes and I don't have money to buy any new guns right now.

I do have a 308 semi auto (which I don't overly trust for life and death I had it fail while hunting) and an sks... my question then would it be safe to shoot a slug out of a full choke? seems unsmart to me but maybe I'm wrong.

I'm young 23 year old and don't have a crap ton of money. Forgive me for my inexperience.

Slugs are designed to pass safely through a full choke, so there is no problem there, but you might find that a long barreled shotgun is a bit awkward in a confined area or in heavy cover. It your gun is a Mossberg or a Remington, inexpensive short barrels can be found for it.

If you don't trust your .308, then until you change something that will allow you to trust it, its not the right choice for this type of duty. A big advantage to being armed is the confidence it gives you to make good decisions and get through a difficult situation. An unreliable rifle does not instill confidence. The SKS, is handy enough, and if reliable, might be an option if you can find good soft point ammo for it, or if you handload. A 150 gr bullet traveling at 2200 would take care of a truculent blackie, subject to your marksmanship. Last week I saw a fellow packing one here as his polar bear gun, but it wouldn't be my choice when our bears are measured in fractions of a ton.

Don't be concerned about being inexperienced. Nobody is born all knowing in all things. Experience is a bi-product of misadventure and bad ideas. When everything goes right, you gain no experience.
 
If youre not shy with your shotgun, take a target load, dump out the lead and fill it with rock salt/ black peppercorns and shoot the bear in the rear - it will run away squealing like a baby and most likely never come back. But do have that round backed up by 00 or slugs in case it turns on you - Only do this if you have a pump as the saltnpeppa load wont cycle the bolt.
Used this a few times so far and it works wonders. Then again, so does a slug. Slugs drop bears real quick and real good. Dunno about the buckshot.
 
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If a bear is aggressive how do you suggest to hit it in the rear? I really want to picture that.

And if its not aggressive and going away showing his rear, why shoot it anyways?
 
If a bear is aggressive how do you suggest to hit it in the rear? I really want to picture that.

And if its not aggressive and going away showing his rear, why shoot it anyways?

Usually they will expose their rear - or you can walk around it to its rear but mostly just wait - They turn sideways - shoot it then! I have used this method 7 times and it works great. Havent had to do a second shot yet. If its aggressive, just slug it - that is, if you are within the 'rules' to do so. If non-agressive, and non destructive, then yes, let it walk away.
If apprehensive about it, call the CO's.
 
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