Shotshell Seperation

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Anyone ever seen this before? I was out with the shotgun taking aim at a bunch of clays. After the first 15 shots or so, my shotgun started jamming. I've had these issues before with the Winchester Universal shells from Walmart, but never to this extent. After another bunch of shells went through, on one particular shot when ejecting the empty shell, I didn't see the whole shell come out. So I looked in the breach and noticed half the shell still lodged around 1.5 inches down the barrel! What I saw being ejected was the base of the shell that holds the primer and it was laying on the ground right beside me.

I cleared the shell with the help of a push rod and continued on my way. 15 or so shells later it happened again! This time I didn't feel like pulling the shotgun apart to get at it as its was a little too far down the barrel and jammed in there pretty good.

Has anyone had this happen before? They didn't fell abnormal when firing. Sound and kick was normal. Clays destroyed so I don't think they were defective in terms of internal components. Wont be buying these again! They seem like a deal at $31 for 100 shells, but when Remington Gun Club go for $79 for a box of 250 I think I'll stick with them.

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sapper6fd said:
They seem like a deal at $31 for 100 shells, but when Remington Gun Club go for $79 for a box of 250 I think I'll stick with them.
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The Winchester Universal ammo is crap. While case head separations can happen with any ammo they seem to happen far more often with the Winchester junk. Let us know how they respond.

Winchester Universal isn't a great deal if the shells blow your gun up which could easily have happened if you hadn't noticed the barrel obstruction. It's also not the great a deal financially. At the prices you cited the Remington is 31.65 cents each. The Winchester is 31 cents apiece. Better ammo is worth an extra 16 cents per box.
 
If you shoot a lot of ammo eventually you are going to see this so you have to be always watching best you can for stuff like this. Yes I know that is easy to say but you will get to a point that will a cycle hick up or the sound of the discharge will make you stop and look
This is the exact reason I cannot reload winchester 10ga hulls. My golds just pull the bottom right off them, federal 10ga also had a bad batch that was splitting right on top of the brass and leaving the rest of the hull in the chamber.
Seen a few guys have this trouble with the 12ga cheap winshesters also like yours.
Most times it is a alloy base whatever they are made of tin or whatever that seems to produce the most of these however you have to watch all shells since there was even a batch of remington sts in 28ga doing it about 10 years ago and got recalled.
When I think this could be an issue with the shells I am using I leave the semi's and pumps home and use an O/U until they are all gone
All the ones I seen were either new or 1x reloads
 
What auto loader are you using?
Have you ran a bore brush down there and give it a good scrub?
I am in no way implying the gun is defective, but there are a few steps for the
process of trial and elimination...
Remington Express had a problem of rough chambers and thus grabbing/holding onto the shot shell
causing grief till no end for some.
Then again it could be the fault completely of the shell making process.
Hope it gets straightened out quickly.
Rob
 
FLHTCUI said:
What auto loader are you using?
Have you ran a bore brush down there and give it a good scrub?
I am in no way implying the gun is defective, but there are a few steps for the
process of trial and elimination...
Remington Express had a problem of rough chambers and thus grabbing/holding onto the shot shell
causing grief till no end for some.
Then again it could be the fault completely of the shell making process.
Hope it gets straightened out quickly.
Rob
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They were fired out of my Remington 887 Tactical. I'm a Nazi when it comes to cleaning my firearms (Old military habits die hard). As soon as I get home they get a through cleaning and come out good as new. I had a batch that was jamming prior to this box - 10 out of the 100 jammed up and took a lot of extra pressure on the pump to break them free. I thought it may have just been the batch. I bough a new box on the weekend and this was the result. I've used Rem Gun Club, Win AAHS and some federal shells, never had an issue out of the 3000 or so shells I've fired. Its only the Universal loads that cause problems. I posted the same info on a shotgun forum and apparently this is more common than you would think. The Universal hulls are well known to cause problems with all shotguns - and not just Semi Auto's.

If I'm shooting more than 200 in a single outing I'll run a bore-snake with some G96 on it through the barrel a few times to get the gunk out. I didn't even get the chance to this time as I gave up on the shells after around 60 rounds or so.

As for the bases swelling when fired - I did compare the spent shells to the loaded shells, there is a little bit of selling around them. Not much though but then again it doesn't take much to cause an issue. They're pretty snug in the breach before they get fired.
 
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Well sapper, it sounds like you have identified the Manufacture and the product line of shell as being the problem then.
The process of where the base is attached to the plastic tube thus being formed into the hull.
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
sapper6fd said:
... they seem like a deal at $31 for 100 shells, but when Remington Gun Club go for $79 for a box of 250 I think I'll stick with...
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$ 31.00/100 or $77.50/250 ... think I'd spend the extra $ 1.50 on Remingtons ... only 6 cents per box more !

Seen the same a few times ... used to be more common with paper hulls.
 
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