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Looks like Turkish shotguns to me. If caught with the illegal capacity they could face a difficult time by the authorities.
These guys are worse than their present government. If ever they take power the Syrian people will become intimate with persecution and daily violence. They should be left to determine their own fate without foreign intervention.

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Teapot said:
Looks like Turkish shotguns to me. If caught with the illegal capacity they could face a difficult time by the authorities.
These guys are worse than their present government. If ever they take power the Syrian people will become intimate with persecution and daily violence. They should be left to determine their own fate without foreign intervention.
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A big +1 to that - these guys appear to stay up nights thinking of new ways to commit atrocities - we're better off staying well clear of any "well intentioned" intervention - bluntly put, f*ck 'em, they're savages. Not worth a drop of Canadian p*ss, never mind blood.
 
They are raiding churches, torturing and summarily executing those they suspect of being in any way shape or form working with the government. These chaps are not worth a damn. It seems men of violence come out of the woodwork to cause havoc whenever they see a protest can be flamed into an excuse to wantonly kill and destroy. Breaking something can be done by a child or those with the mentality of children. Changing or building something takes discipline and intelligence which these fellows want.
 
Politics aside along with the contrived badass look at the camera - I can understand if those are the only weapon that they have but in a force on force encounter, Im putting my cash on the person with the assault rifle.

Even with slugs, effective range is maybe 70ish yards and most sane people fire from cover hence their target(s) would be very small unless one of them does a flanking maneuver.

With only 8 rounds max in the tube and I dont see any reloads on them (geeze I carry more shells on a single stage shotgun run !) - the fight would be over very fast against an assault rifle.

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enefgee said:
A big +1 to that - these guys appear to stay up nights thinking of new ways to commit atrocities - we're better off staying well clear of any "well intentioned" intervention - bluntly put, f*ck 'em, they're savages. Not worth a drop of Canadian p*ss, never mind blood.
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Teapot said:
They are raiding churches, torturing and summarily executing those they suspect of being in any way shape or form working with the government. These chaps are not worth a damn. It seems men of violence come out of the woodwork to cause havoc whenever they see a protest can be flamed into an excuse to wantonly kill and destroy. Breaking something can be done by a child or those with the mentality of children. Changing or building something takes discipline and intelligence which these fellows want.
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Classic cgn. Lol.

From Wiki.
In Syria 1982:

Initial diplomatic reports from western governments in 1982 had believed that 1000 were killed in the fighting.[2][3] Subsequent estimates of casualties vary from 7,000 to 40,000 people killed, including about 1,000 soldiers.[citation needed] Robert Fisk, who was in Hama shortly after the massacre, originally estimated fatalities at 10,000, but has since doubled the estimate to 20,000.[1][20][21] The president's brother Rifaat reportedly boasted of killing 38,000 people.[22] Amnesty International initially estimated the death toll was between 10,000 and 25,000, the vast majority civilians.[8]

Reports by the Syrian Human Rights Committee estimate "over 25,000"[23] or between 30,000 to 40,000 people were killed.[5] The Syrian Muslim Brotherhood also suggests a figure of approximately 40,000 victims.

Twenty years later, Syrian journalist Subhi Hadidi, wrote that "under the command of General 'Ali Haydar, besieged the city for 27 days, bombarding it with heavy artillery and tank [fire], before invading it and killing 30,000 or 40,000 of the city's citizens – in addition to the 15,000 missing who have not been found to this day, and the 100,000 expelled."[6]


Yes, obviously the goverment are the good guys.:rolleyes: People do bad things during war, even our people. It brings out the best, and worst in our species, and any sociopaths have a field day. Typically, the victor writes themselves out of the attrocity notebooks, sometimes survivors persevere.
Oh well, I'm sure you are intimately familiar with the culture and history of the country, and it's current conflict, to have accessed them as animals.:HR:
 
Classic CGN? You know, some societies are simply violent. Those wielding power today may get toppled by the ones they have oppressed. However, the oppressed quickly become the oppressors. It has been that way in some societies. It is not classic CGN as you write but simply history. These people are quick to turn to violence whether they be the oppressed or the oppressor.
 
Deckard said:
Probably loaded with banned flechettes!
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And UN-PINNED tub magazines! Can they really get away with that do you think? Aren't they afraid of getting in trouble? My god, the humanity! Their parents, teachers and local police will be cross I am sure. The shame they will feel is not to be pondered. OMG, that is how Canadian citizens have been socialized. Sorry for the comment.
 
Well its not like most of these people have a great choice in what they will be wielding.
Most I'm sure are using just about anything they could get their hands on.
Ending up with a pump shotgun with a short barrel like that is probably not such a bad deal for them.
 
5440fight said:
Classic cgn. Lol.


Yes, obviously the goverment are the good guys.:rolleyes: People do bad things during war, even our people. It brings out the best, and worst in our species, and any sociopaths have a field day. Typically, the victor writes themselves out of the attrocity notebooks, sometimes survivors persevere.
Oh well, I'm sure you are intimately familiar with the culture and history of the country, and it's current conflict, to have accessed them as animals.:HR:
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That's a sack of sh*t - I believe both sides aren't worth saving. When the "Good Guy" rebels are throwing police officers off the top of the post office that they gave up without a fight, to the cheers of the gathered crowd, and the local party organizer (must have been in his 70's) gets his head kicked literally off - that means there's no side to choose, there are NO good guys in Syria, and as I commented, we need not be there, in any way shape or form. The smart folks from Syria who need aid are in Labanon and Turkey. Clear enough for you sunshine? Before you start questioning the education of someone you have never met you may want to consider that there are peole here who were studying foreign relations in University when Trudeau was PM.
 
I was stationed in Damascus for 3 yrs 1887-90 and did some bird hunting while I was there. Shotguns were pretty available at this time. A local who I hunted with used a Browning autoloader. Rifles were another matter though-strictly verboten. I bought a nice Beretta O/U in Lebanon and used it to hunt geese up along the Euphrates River where there was a big migration of waterfowl from Africa up thru the Rift valley and eventually up to Russia. No hunting seasons or limits of any kind. There were a lot of gray geese and mallard ducks to be had.

The suppression of the Moslem Brotherhood in Hama in 1982 is a fact. Everything available was used by the regieme in the process -tanks, arty, airstrikes and some believe, chemical agents. Conservative estimates are that 20,000 were killed. People got the message and toed the line for a long time after this. People were very reluctant to discuss the topic. People are people and there are good and bad everywhere. Where things come unstuck is over power and politics.
 
enefgee said:
That's a sack of sh*t - I believe both sides aren't worth saving. When the "Good Guy" rebels are throwing police officers off the top of the post office that they gave up without a fight, to the cheers of the gathered crowd, and the local party organizer (must have been in his 70's) gets his head kicked literally off - that means there's no side to choose, there are NO good guys in Syria, and as I commented, we need not be there, in any way shape or form. The smart folks from Syria who need aid are in Labanon and Turkey. Clear enough for you sunshine? Before you start questioning the education of someone you have never met you may want to consider that there are peole here who were studying foreign relations in University when Trudeau was PM.
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purple said:
I was stationed in Damascus for 3 yrs 1887-90 and did some bird hunting while I was there.

The suppression of the Moslem Brotherhood in Hama in 1982 is a fact. Everything available was used by the regieme in the process -tanks, arty, airstrikes and some believe, chemical agents. Conservative estimates are that 20,000 were killed. People got the message and toed the line for a long time after this. People were very reluctant to discuss the topic. People are people and there are good and bad everywhere. Where things come unstuck is over power and politics.
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Gee, he was there for years. Clear enough for you sunshine? Violence begets violence, no shocker there, but there is a long history of these "thugs" being the victims, and all international reports show the vast majority of the human rights abuses being done by the govt. forces, and the shabiba.:HR:
 
I still fail to see any love for the Syrian Government in either post - given that the Ba'ath Party of Syria was deliberately patterned on the Nazi Party, from a structural perspective it's one of those organizations that are hard to love. Add to that it's penchant for extreme sadism and it pretty much stinks from top to bottom. That does not mean that the ### should immediately run out and support any group that opposes that regime, particularly after what we have seen occurring in Libya and Egypt after the ouster of the secular governments, and their replacement with Muslim Brotherhood front governments and the imposition of Sharia Law. These rebels are part of the Muslim Brotherhood as noted, and the Muslim Brotherhood is the root organization that supplies the philosophical base for ALL Islamist terrorist groups. The Brotherhood has always promoted the violent restoration of Islam, it has been one of it's basic tennets since it's founding in 1928. Coincidentally, the founder of the MB (al-Banna) was also a big fan of Hitler.

PS Purple was there, you weren't - and he did not suggest that any of the comments made lacked factual validity
 
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There is nothing admirable or worth saving in the Assad regieme. It siezed power by force in 1970 and has retained power by force, intimidation and coercion ever since. In the process of securing it's power base it confiscated much of the national wealth and caused a good portion of the educated and commercial classes to leave the country.

After 40 years there is no democratic tradition, no viable government institutions and few suitable people left to build any type of stability for the future. This is a common problem among the despotic regiemes of the Middle East, Iraq, Egypt, Libya being other sad examples. Unfortunately the best organized, best funded and most highly motivated groups in all of these countries are the Islamic fundamentalists.
 
purple said:
There is nothing admirable or worth saving in the Assad regieme. It siezed power by force in 1970 and has retained power by force, intimidation and coercion ever since. In the process of securing it's power base it confiscated much of the national wealth and caused a good portion of the educated and commercial classes to leave the country.

After 40 years there is no democratic tradition, no viable government institutions and few suitable people left to build any type of stability for the future. This is a common problem among the despotic regiemes of the Middle East, Iraq, Egypt, Libya being other sad examples. Unfortunately the best organized, best funded and most highly motivated groups in all of these countries are the Islamic fundamentalists.
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Exactly. After 40 years of iron fisted control, and rufusal to allow a legal opposition party of any real nature, there is no organized political party other than the muslim brotherhood? No kidding, I'll be darned. The acceptance of these dictators and ruling families for so long, despite their horrific human rights records, is why these new governments will be hostile to the west after they are formed from the rubble. The west has even gone so far as to export individuals to these countries for "interogation", knowing well that torture was expected. We have long trade, political, and sometimes military cooperation with the men that they have feared for generations. It will be a painful process, removing these despots, and a better life is a long way off with these people, but the path to democracy is a bloody one for most societies. We have just enjoyed it long enough to forget, but other than Canada, most countries got there on a rocky path. Once they have fair elections, if a party gets in that we don't like, tough sh!t, that's democracy. Two elections later, Egypt wants the muslim brotherhood, that's their call, not ours. If the same happens in Syria, so be it. They must create their own destiny. It seems it is time for the rest of the world to persue the aspirations of "freedom", "democracy", "justice" and consumerism that we have preached as the way to happiness for so long, let's hope it doesn't blow up in our faces.
 
5440fight said:
Exactly. After 40 years of iron fisted control, and rufusal to allow a legal opposition party of any real nature, there is no organized political party other than the muslim brotherhood? No kidding, I'll be darned. The acceptance of these dictators and ruling families for so long, despite their horrific human rights records, is why these new governments will be hostile to the west after they are formed from the rubble. The west has even gone so far as to export individuals to these countries for "interogation", knowing well that torture was expected. We have long trade, political, and sometimes military cooperation with the men that they have feared for generations. It will be a painful process, removing these despots, and a better life is a long way off with these people, but the path to democracy is a bloody one for most societies. We have just enjoyed it long enough to forget, but other than Canada, most countries got there on a rocky path. Once they have fair elections, if a party gets in that we don't like, tough sh!t, that's democracy. Two elections later, Egypt wants the muslim brotherhood, that's their call, not ours. If the same happens in Syria, so be it. They must create their own destiny. It seems it is time for the rest of the world to persue the aspirations of "freedom", "democracy", "justice" and consumerism that we have preached as the way to happiness for so long, let's hope it doesn't blow up in our faces.
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Do you really believe that the MB wants "freedom" "democracy" and "justice" or do you think they might just want to follow their long stated aim of violently taking back control of all territories that were Islamic before Charlemagne. I guess that would really suck if you happened to be Spanish, huh? It's not about anything other than having 25 Islamic Republic of Irans out there, if you think that's a positive thing, something that we should assist them with, then you are flat out on crack.
 
For an untrained and probably less than generally competent user, a combat style shotgun may be well more effective than a rifle or other longarm.

Of course it might not be a given that buckshot or slugs would be available in Syria.
 
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