Should I buy Norinco ?

Don't buy it if you don't like to tinker. These guns really respond well to a little
amateur gunsmithing...in fact I'd go so far as to say that shooting them is only
half of the fun of owning one...the other half is fettling & tuning them.
 
If you're in the market for a m305 and know very little about the platform and what to look for (like myself) I would highly recommend looking for one that has gone thru Barney's hands (aka. Testicle Teacher:)).
They may not be cosmetically perfect but mine has run flawlessly….I just have to work on the grade 4 math to shoot the irons out past 100yrds:)
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Well I had had 2 M305s, 1 Grizzly 870 clone, 1 M37 clone, 1 NP-34, sold the 305s (.308 ammo was breaking me) sold the M37 shotgun (cycled strange) love my Grizzly and NP-34.

If I did not own a CAR15 I would have a Norc M4. Personally owning a M4 with a rimfire .22 conversion kit made more sense to me as I like trigger time.

Some Norcs can have issues but so do Glocks and other better guns, Marstar or Canada Ammo offer great support.

Randy
 
I just bought on. The bolt lugs are evenly worn on both sides. THe barrel is properly registered and the sights on straight. The rifle cycles normally, the fired case measures 1.633 at the shoulders with a hornady cartridge head space gauge. My groups average about 5 inches at 100 meters which is good for an M14 battle rifle as the standard of ordnance is 7 inches at 100 yards. The receiver is forged and in better spec than a USGI issue Springfield at 2000 plus bucks. The USGI receiver is cast. What more can I say. I probably got a good one, U can get a very bad one. U pays yur money and U takes yur chance, unless you can have eyes on before u buy the rifle.

Current springfield armory M1A receivers may fall into USGI spec range but it is not USGI.

To the OP I've got 2 M305s and a Norc AR 14.5" All 3 are great rifles(2 cuz one's really a carbine :)) I personally have never had any major issues with any of them. Keep in mind with the M305s that you do not necessarily need to buy shims for the gas lock as you can remove the gas lock and flip it around on the Norcs and tighten them that way. That doesn't seem to work with a US assembled rifle (Springfield, Fulton etc) I do not know why. I know this works for the norc as the info was given to me on the M14 forum and I tried it and found it to work. Of course YMMV and you rifle's spec tolerances may be looser than mine. My Norcs and the Norcs of my family members have all been pretty good, just a few small tweaks here and there, but nothing major. Mostly polishing some surfaces for smoother operation.
 
I have nothing bad to say about Norincos. I have 2 1911 clones, a cqb Ar, a 9mm Tokarev clone, a T97 and a M305. All function fine out of the box. The fit and finish is acceptable, especially for the price. Marstar is a great place to deal with also.
 
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Before I even got my RPAL , I always wanted an M-14 and an AR . Now I can get both from Marstar as part of their package deal with the AK-74 Dewat .
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The thing is , I constantly see people on here with problems . They buy the Norinco M-305 and have problems with them right out of the box . The same with the Norinco CQB ( M-4 ) . There always seems to be extraction issues , or broken this or that . They have to return them to the seller or change op rods or other parts , etc.
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I don't want problems . I have Mosins , Russian SKS' , Winchester Defender - no problems ever . I go to the range , I blast holes in paper , I come home and clean them on the coffee table and watch the Blue Jays . Zero problems . I had an SVT-40 that was having extraction issues . I farted around with the gas system , cleaned the bore until it was spotless and still had problems with it . Gone , sold it at a loss .
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My point is , do I want these , or are they going to be more trouble than they are worth ? If you look down the threads in this section or the Black Rifle section , you will find people looking for advice , as they are having issues with their Norinco AR's and M-14's . Should I save my money and stick with what I have ?
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It sounds more to me that you are a consumer/user vice someone who likes to tinker.
The Norinco M14 is still the best (alright second best next to SKS :D) gun in Canada bang for buck.
There will be no major issues with the M14 but the following is what you may encounter and the work/fix to resolve it:

The barrel may be over/under indexed. Tighten or loosen the barrel in the receiver with a barrel clamp and a big old socket wrench.
The flash hider/front sight may be off center. Replace the flash hider with a modern North American one ($30-$80+ depending on what brand you buy)
The rear sights may not work properly. Replace with any North American rear sight (could be up to $100, I picked up an A1 set for $60 used)
The Op Rod Guide may be loose. Drive out the roll pin, tap it forward, center punch a few small welts where it was, hammer it back in place, make sure it's in line with the gas system, roll pin back in.
The gas block may be a bit loose. Slip a very thin metal shim around the barrel between the gas block and the handgaurd cap.

I picked up a used on a ways back for $300 cash and it had every single one of those problems lol But I got got it all fixed eventually and now it is one of my all time favorites.

A lot of the rest of the "upgrades" that people do swapping out springs etc, swapping out random parts for USGI parts etc etc are just wastes of time and money but that's my opinion. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Those are the most common. All very easily remedied using basement gunsmithing techniques lol

The M14 is a stupid simple design. It's a great rifle. There is literally less than 80 parts to the entire rifle, that's every nut pin and bolt counted as well.

See to me I love tinkering and working on these types of things. You learn the rifle inside and out, I get a huge sense of accomplishment learning all the knowledge and then passing it on when someone else needs help. It's a bit of a dice toss unless you can actually handle the M14 and inspect it first. You may get none of these issues and your rifle may be good to go, you may get the rifle and have one or all of these issues to resolve. In the end you still have spent like $600 tops and you have one of the most accurate and reliable military rifles available to your common PAL holder in this country that shoots as good as any Springfield rifle out there.

It doesn't sound like you're that type of guy though Sir lol The other option is a $2K plus Springfield M1A that has no issues but costs a hell of a lot more. The bonus is that there are a lot of guys on here, myself included, that have passed through the eye of needle already and learned a great deal. You will have all the help, guidance and assistance you need right here at your fingertips.
 
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Ok, I have a question not to thread jack. If I was going to buy one from a store, what am I looking for to make sure it will run well ? Im a big fan of iron sights from 25-300 yards and with southern Ontario hunting conditions irons fit into hunting as well as target shooting perfectly.

The biggest thing to look for is a store that will let you strip it down and do a detailed inspection at the counter, and that has a good reputation for post-sale customer service so you can return or exchange it if you find a serious problem later.

The stickies are full of detailed inspection FAQs (and you should read through them carefully before going shopping), but if you're standing at the counter with an oil-soaked rifle and you want to do a real quick once-over without being able to take it apart here's what I'd look for:

- Are there any obvious gross manufacturing errors? Look for general symmetry, a solid feel to the action in the stock, a vertical front sight, and check for any unusually rough or discoloured welded patches on the receiver. Look closely at the recoil and bolt lugs to make sure they haven't been built up with welds or roughly ground into shape and that they seem to mate up well on both sides.
- Does the action cycle properly? It will probably be rough or gritty because of newness and lack of grease, but it should cycle without binding. Test the bolt stop.
- Does the trigger group work properly? Make sure the safety works, make sure the hammer doesn't follow the bolt when the action cycles with the trigger held back.
- Is the rear sight adjustable? Make sure it elevates and traverses properly with distinct clicks when you turn the knobs and make sure the aperture hole is centred.
- You can lock the action back and tilt the rifle to try listening for the piston sliding, but if the rifle's still full of oil chances are the piston won't be able to slide freely until it's cleaned out.

That's all I can think of right now.
 
I own a few norc pistols, shot guns and rifles. I have never had a problem with any of them. From what I have read on here the norc m4 is a great rifle. The m305 sounds like you need to mess around with it a bit.
 
Get a m305 and go to one of Hungrys clinics... I have a bunch of norcs, the tok 9mm was grumpy about which kind of ammo you fed it. I had a griz mag that was junk, but all the rest work just fine. The 1911 and the m305 being my favorites....
 
If you don't mind being the Norc owner go for it, lately I have seen some great deals on American made AR's, you can send your money to the Chinese, or the Peoples Republic of China, but they won't thank you when they come an take it back when the Chinese invade.
 
It's almost funny how today's generations are willing to accept Junk, as long as there is a warranty, Warranty ain't gonna save your ass when it counts the most.

I don't think it's about buying junk. I think about funds. Some people cannot afford a 2000$ Springfield m1a, but a 500$ m305 is doable. Plus it's about how much the rifle is worth to you. Myself, I don't own any Norinco, but I would get an m305 as they are 500$. I simply don't like the m14 rifle enough that I would drop 2$k on a Springfield. 500$ for a Norc is about as much as I like them. I think it's all about how much the rifle is worth to the buyer. That's why Norinco sells so well.
 
It's almost funny how today's generations are willing to accept Junk, as long as there is a warranty, Warranty ain't gonna save your ass when it counts the most.

There's nothing "junk" about a Norinco M14 when you consider how easy it is to fix the minor issues with them compared to the unbeatable low cost of the rifle and what you get in the end.
 
If you spring for an M305 there is a chance that you'll have to tinker with it a bit to make it run really well, although maybe not. Is it worth it? Yes!

I now have _3_ shorties, and they have all been ready to go out of the box. [well, one was second-hand, but the original owner had no issues with it] I've added a few quality parts [rear sights, op rod spring guide, nice stocks], just to please myself, but it wasn't really necessary.

Of course, you can buy brand new guns from big North American manufacturers and run into problems there too, so there's no perfect answer. For the money, I'd definitely take a chance on the Norinco.
 
It's almost funny how today's generations are willing to accept Junk, as long as there is a warranty, Warranty ain't gonna save your ass when it counts the most.

If by "save your ass" you mean relieve stress (the silent killer!) then I assure you they're working just fine. If you mean it more literally, I haven't really noticed if I poop better after a day of shooting my Norcs, but I wouldn't be surprised. Welcome to CGN btw :cool:
 
I have a Nork cq with a 10.5 barrel. Heard some had extraction problems so I put the Upgrade spring & rubber O ring in before I even shot it. NO problems, no issues. I love it. I use it for 3 gun and it will hang with the Name brand ones. It is lazer accurate.
I also have an M305 Nork, I bought in 2006. Not a single problem. Still running strong 8 years later. Not sure about the new ones being as good. Some say yes, some say no.
 
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