Should I buy one?

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I've been reading these awesome threads, and it would seem to me that buying a M305 is only half the battle. I've got a shorty M305 on hold with a local gunshop, but even though it is "only" $650NZ, I'm blown away by the amount of work that needs to go into getting it to shoot under four MOA. Wow, you guys are dedicated! It would appear that I will probably have to get a gunsmith to sort out the op rod, check the headspace (and hope to hell it is okay), plus any of the other dozen or so common problems. I really like the design, and pedigree of the M14 and plan to use it at the range for out to 200m, and similar maximum range goat/pig/deer hunting. I could pick up a Norinco SKS that will happily give me 4 MOA, and will slay any game animal in NZ out to 100m or so, without any gunsmithing. Somebody reassure me regarding the M305! Or is it a sad reality that I will have to spend another $500NZ or so just to get it right?:confused::confused:
 
Most Norcs shoot way better than 4MOA right out of the box, and it doesn't take too much tweeking to get them close to the 2-3 MOA, even 1-2, depending on the rifle, but I am no expert for sure.
Read all the stickies and watch the videos at the top of the MBR forum. Most of it is simple once you see it done, as in one of Hungry's clinics. (Hell, get a 30 or so M 14 loves together for a clinic, send him a round trip ticket and I'll bet anything that Hungry would come right to you and show you just how easy it is. No, I'm not kidding, and he is a great teacher.)
There are multiple factors invloved in getting good accuracy with any firearm, especially semi auto battle rifles like the M14, so understanding how they all interact is crucial. Proper testing methods are also crucial to consistantly and constantly improving the rifles accuracy.
I'm assuming that the shorty you are referring to is a new M14. Most likely it will shoot well, right out of the box, and you can do most of the simple tweaking yourself - see the clinic videos. The more difficult stuff (headspacing, etc.) should probably be done by a gunsmith. If it needs $500NZ to get it to shoot better than 4 MOA, run away from it. YMMV.
Good luck . :cheers:
 
+1 on that reply. I've owned four Norc M14's over the last decade or so, each better than the last. Aside from scope mounting, I've done very little to any of them, and all shot well...average probably about 2.5MOA, and one was at least a 1.5MOA gun, with lots of one-inch groups in the mix. I don't have any now, but they were great fun to play with and I don't regret it a bit. Don't get too caught up in modifying right off the bat. Buy the gun, shoot a case or so of ammo through it, and then decide if you want to start changing things. If you love it and decide to keep it, great. If you find it's not for you, sell it and move on...you will have had some fantastic trigger time on one of the great classic gun designs. No downside either way.
 
I owned 2 2007 vintage Norcs, and both shot around 2 MOA after being tuned. Out of the box, they were around 3 MOA. Minimal tuning should be required to get it shooting decently. Shimming the gas system, smoothing out the trigger and replacing the sights is good enough in 95% of cases.
 
Major Commander said:
Most Norcs shoot way better than 4MOA right out of the box, and it doesn't take too much tweeking to get them close to the 2-3 MOA, even 1-2, depending on the rifle, but I am no expert for sure.
Read all the stickies and watch the videos at the top of the MBR forum. Most of it is simple once you see it done, as in one of Hungry's clinics. (Hell, get a 30 or so M 14 loves together for a clinic, send him a round trip ticket and I'll bet anything that Hungry would come right to you and show you just how easy it is. No, I'm not kidding, and he is a great teacher.)
There are multiple factors invloved in getting good accuracy with any firearm, especially semi auto battle rifles like the M14, so understanding how they all interact is crucial. Proper testing methods are also crucial to consistantly and constantly improving the rifles accuracy.
I'm assuming that the shorty you are referring to is a new M14. Most likely it will shoot well, right out of the box, and you can do most of the simple tweaking yourself - see the clinic videos. The more difficult stuff (headspacing, etc.) should probably be done by a gunsmith. If it needs $500NZ to get it to shoot better than 4 MOA, run away from it. YMMV.
Good luck . :cheers:
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yuk yuk yuk... Bazza: I was in Auckland, Rotorua, Queenstown and then Eden Park Stadium back in July this year. Shoulda hooked up with me and Feniz.nz when we did our M14 lovers meeting in Rotorua!

What else can we advise you? Don't buy one of them, but buy TWO and then you put a silencer on the other! I know how you kiwis are allowed to use silencers with your hunting rigs... ;)

Cheers, mates! The M14's are Fair Dinkum! :cool:

Barney
 
Should I buy one?
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Just buy one.

Handloads and tons of trigger time can achieve extremely good results. That's from personal experience.

I don't have the capability to do it every time, but I firmly believe the rifle does ;)
 
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