Should I just withdraw my PAL/RPAL application?

I'm no legal expert, but based on what you have said here it would seem to me that you have enough material to challenge this situation and win. Your gender should have nothing to do with anything, thats your business..not the CFO's. I suggest you seek out a human right agency in your city or town and see what stes you can proceed with.
 
Mine took 2 yrs to get approval.
now that a yr has passed. Call every 2 months and ask for an update on your application. It will show them you haven't lost interest.
They want you to give up. And any time you feel like giving up. That is when you should call.
Why would you withdraw your application? You've spent the $80 Let them do the paper work for which they owe you.
 
Mine took 2 yrs to get approval.
now that a yr has passed. Call every 2 months and ask for an update on your application. It will show them you haven't lost interest.
They want you to give up. And any time you feel like giving up. That is when you should call.
Why would you withdraw your application? You've spent the $80 Let them do the paper work for which they owe you.

The main reason why I want to withdraw my application is because I don't plan on owning firearms or shooting in Canada any time soon. I have family in the southern US and do all my shooting there. I originally planned on getting my PAL to get into target shooting in Canada since I only went down once every few years. But, life circumstances have changed and now I go down to visit more than I would be able to visit a Canadian range.

Part of me wants to say f*** it, cancel my application, and reapply in 10 years so I can say this tiny thing happened 10+ years ago and I have no issues now. I feel like the odds are stacked against me right now.
 
Call or email and don't give up! Also maybe try to get something in writing from the police department that came to the call on you and also the doctor who diagnosed you that can attest to these being false? That may help because I’m sure they are not going to put that effort in to prove something is not true. Also if you call and are bashed for anything discriminatory verbally or in an email speak to a lawyer or the media about it because no one should have to put up with that. Im no law expert but thats what I think I would pursue if this happened to me, you made an honest mistake and your not hiding the past by opening up about it.

Giving up just lets that cfo win and the same could happen to other people in the future. If you get your pal and the cfo feels some heat from it then maybe it wont happen to others in the future who may be in your position.
 
Honestly we need more vocal transgender persons advocating for firearms ownership and within our community, especially disturbing the CFO is openly discriminating against you because of your gender identity. I would say call the CBC they love this kind of ‘societal justice’ causes.

Uh no I'd rather not have somebody mentally ill as the poster child for the fight for firearms owners in Canada. Probably not going to do many favors for us when it comes to appealing to like minded people. Hard pass.
 
Uh no I'd rather not have somebody mentally ill as the poster child for the fight for firearms owners in Canada. Probably not going to do many favors for us when it comes to appealing to like minded people. Hard pass.

I'm on the fence about it myself. Of course we don't want to exclude anyone and make them feel unwanted, especially in the shooting sports, and LGBTQAIP issues are all the rage nowadays. After all it would give us the power to call the antis transphobic to win any and all debates in our favour.

But the fact is that transgender individuals have a higher than average suicide rate. Like many, I am of the firm belief that it is a mental illness and it should be treated as such; meaning careful scrunity of the applicant. However, if the OP doesn't have a history of violence towards themselves or others, then give them their frickin' PAL. We shouldn't be living in Minority Report.
 
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Uh no I'd rather not have somebody mentally ill as the poster child for the fight for firearms owners in Canada. Probably not going to do many favors for us when it comes to appealing to like minded people. Hard pass.

Did you miss the part where the OP was not mentally ill, and only mistakenly believed to be so?

Or are you assuming ignorantly that being transgender is a mental illness? Even if it was, Transgender folks are no more likely to be public safety concern then you or me, but are about 1,000 times more likely to be a victim of violence and in need of the means of self defense.

Besides, the climate change folks seem to be doing pretty well with an actually mentally ill young person championing their cause, so whats your concern exactly?

Do you have an issue with people with mental illness (a term so overly broad as to be mostly useless in public policy discussions) or with transgender people owning firearms? If so, who else are you comfortable discriminating against?

Any person who is laughed at for their personal history and denied their rights in seeking a firearms license application is perfectly suited to go scorched earth on the ignorant government bureaucrats who are being discriminatory and to make that experience as public as they like, and all of us should support them 100% in that fight, as it is all OUR rights that are being infringed. Only thing is they happen to be the victim, this time...
 
Uh no I'd rather not have somebody mentally ill as the poster child for the fight for firearms owners in Canada. Probably not going to do many favors for us when it comes to appealing to like minded people. Hard pass.

Your a fine poster child for intolerance.

The community does not need to appeal to or cater to people that exhibit bigotry like minded or not.

That is the image the Antis and the Left attribute to us, it is not the truth or the case.
 
Your a fine poster child for intolerance.

The community does not need to appeal to or cater to people that exhibit bigotry like minded or not.

That is the image the Antis and the Left attribute to us, it is not the truth or the case.

Intolerance and ignorance. I know the answer, the OP should go to church and seek conversion therapy. That'll totally fix all his problems...

But seriously, OP #### these guys who think you're mentally ill. Get a lawyer and fight this. Even if you don't care about having a PAL anymore, you can't let the powers that be (or anyone else) dictate what you can do with your life.
 
Did you miss the part where the OP was not mentally ill, and only mistakenly believed to be so?

Or are you assuming ignorantly that being transgender is a mental illness? Even if it was, Transgender folks are no more likely to be public safety concern then you or me, but are about 1,000 times more likely to be a victim of violence and in need of the means of self defense.

Besides, the climate change folks seem to be doing pretty well with an actually mentally ill young person championing their cause, so whats your concern exactly?

Do you have an issue with people with mental illness (a term so overly broad as to be mostly useless in public policy discussions) or with transgender people owning firearms? If so, who else are you comfortable discriminating against?

Any person who is laughed at for their personal history and denied their rights in seeking a firearms license application is perfectly suited to go scorched earth on the ignorant government bureaucrats who are being discriminatory and to make that experience as public as they like, and all of us should support them 100% in that fight, as it is all OUR rights that are being infringed. Only thing is they happen to be the victim, this time...

Gender Identity Disorder is not mental illness?
 
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I suggest you keep fighting, as you always have. Never give up, use all the tools at your disposal your MP, Human Rights Tribunal, Lawyers/Legal Aid, Media, phone calls, emails, letter writing. Even if you don't get involved in competition's or plinking right away you still have your license when you're ready. You have every right to the PAL/RPAL, and a personal opinion by someone does not make the list for revoking it. Fight the good fight. GY6.
 
I suggest you keep fighting, as you always have. Never give up, use all the tools at your disposal your MP, Human Rights Tribunal, Lawyers/Legal Aid, Media, phone calls, emails, letter writing. Even if you don't get involved in competition's or plinking right away you still have your license when you're ready.You have every right to the PAL/RPAL, and a personal opinion by someone does not make the list for revoking it. Fight the good fight. GY6.

This is a good point. When me and my wife got together I kept telling her to get a driver's license. She kept saying she didn't need it, but she got it eventually anyways. Then there came a time that she wanted/needed to be able to drive and if she had not gotten her license then it would have been a real pain in the arse. It's not an exact equivalent because we have graduated licensing here so it takes a year to be able to drive on your own, but the idea is the same - get it now so when you DO want it, you have it and don't have to deal with delays at that time.

Also, if you withdraw your application, I would expect them to ask about that next time you apply?
 
Officially been one year since I submitted my PAL/RPAL application. I'm beginning to lose hope of ever getting my PAL and am tempted just to withdraw my application at this point.

I had an issue a few years back where someone who thought I was suicidal called the police on me. It was a misunderstanding and the person who reported me now agrees I was never suicidal.

The CFO said I "failed to disclose" my police interaction because I checked off "no" to the question about being reported to the police for violent behaviour. I took it as violence towards others (esp since the question right before was asking about mental health issues and suicide) but apparently it also includes self-harm. So when someone reported me to the police for being suicidal because they mistook something I said, that counts. So, now he's saying I violated the Firearms Act. Yet, everyone (including many cops) I've talked to believe the question is referring to domestic abuse. They were all surprised when to hear that my situation would fall under it.

The CFO laughed in my face when I asked him how to get the record corrected. He said it's impossible and wished me luck.

On top of that, I'm transgender (I live "stealth" which means no one knows). The CFO has made some less than pleasant remarks about my gender and medical transition. 9 years ago, I was misdiagnosed with depression and given anti-depressants. Was on them for less than a year before I was correctly diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder and given the proper treatment.

I've always loved firearms but I'm beginning to think getting a PAL is just not worth it. Does anyone have advice on what I should do? I'm beginning to think the only way I can get my PAL is to lawyer up

I'm simply amazed that in this day and age and political climate that a CFOfficer would treat you that way. The OPP is likely the most politically correct organization in the province besides teachers. Unless there's a previous serious criminal history in your past or a permanent undiagnosed or treated medical/mental condition,there shouldn't be an issue. Try once more to talk to an officer (keep a careful written record of the conversation,you don't need to tape it because they do). If that still won't help,hire a lawyer. Let him/her decide whether to go the human rights violation route after they've checked the events themselves.
 
Now more popularly known as Gender Dysphoria, yes, it is a mental illness, and according to the OP, not one that they currently suffer from.

The OP is now simply a transgender person, which is NOT a mental illness.

Anyone diagnosed with a mental illness is not mentally ill???

Getting "treatment" does not imply the illness has been "cured".

I dont recall seeing any posts in this thread that referred to OPs gender identity as a mental illness.


You seem to follow a narrative that only you agree with, from time to time, that I've noticed reading some of your posts.
 
Anyone diagnosed with a mental illness is not mentally ill???

Getting "treatment" does not imply the illness has been "cured".

I dont recall seeing any posts in this thread that referred to OPs gender identity as a mental illness.


You seem to follow a narrative that only you agree with, from time to time, that I've noticed reading some of your posts.

I guess we can debate the semantics between having had a mental illness, living with a mental illness, and suffering from a mental illness if you want to. Does having broken a bone once permanently brand you for life as being broken?

Post number 26 is the post in question which seems to imply that the OP is currently mentally ill. That individual hasn't been back yet to clarify their meaning. How do YOU interpret their post which seems to imply that the OP is CURRENTLY ill to such an extent as to be unfit to be associated with the gun owning community?

I am not sure what narrative you are referring to in particular, but its not surprising to me that from time to time I am the only person who agrees with me. I think that's probably true of everyone sooner or later. In those situations I'd like to think its a 50/50 split between changing my mind and learning something or digging my heels in to defend the position hard.

In this particular case, my main point is that having had gender dysphoria, and having received treatment, and not having been diagnosed with any other mental illness, it is unfair to say that a person is currently mentally ill.
 
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