Should there be a limit on bow hunting?

blasted_saber said:
Hoyt, I respect your opinion on a lot of things, but this statement I can't agree with. How on earth is being shot by an arrow less traumatic then the visual of said arrow? If anything I'd say its more traumatic.

Understand I am not saying that bows are not suitable for hunting (I own a recurve and crossbow), but I think you are very much minimizing the arrows effects.
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No I'm not... and I have plenty of experience to back it up.... on multiple occasions I have had mortally wounded deer go back to feeding after the shot... I could "visually" see the blood pumping from their sides from a lung hit and yet the animal showed no reaction to the would, but had only flinched or jumped at the sound of the shot. I have had mortally wounded bears amble toward me to see what made the thumping sound, only to fall over dead with only a cursory kick or nothing at all... one bear that I stalked in a choke cherry thicket took the arrow in the chest, charged straight at me only to skid on his nose at my feet... I am sure he was not charging... just happened to be pointing in my direction. I have had bull moose preparing for a battle with an incoming bull, take the arrow, continue to prepare for the fight only to rear up and fall over on his back without a kick.

And dozens of other examples where mortally struck animals showed little or no reaction to the actually wound.
 
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I'm with hoytcanon, an arrow with a broadhead passing through an animal isn't very traumatic to the animal, no where near what a bullet is.
I haven't had near the success that he has, but have taken a few animals. None acted anything like being shot with a firearm. My father shot a deer with a bow, it lifted its head, looked around, then put its head back down to feed and fell in its tracks seconds later. Unless it strikes a heavy bone and startles them, they bolt, and arrow slipping through the ribcage sometimes the animal flinches like only a bug stung them and carry on their business.
 
Seen this also...arrowed a doe and she went back to eating, then dropped down and rolled over dead.
hoytcanon said:
No I'm not... and I have plenty of experience to back it up.... on multiple occasions I have had mortally wounded deer go back to feeding after the shot... I could "visually" see the blood pumping from their sides from a lung hit and yet the animal showed no reaction to the would, but had only flinched or jumped at the sound of the shot. I have had mortally wounded bears amble toward me to see what made the thumping sound, only to fall over dead with only a cursory kick or nothing at all... one bear that I stalked in a choke cherry thicket took the arrow in the chest, charged straight at me only to skid on his nose at my feet... I am sure he was not charging... just happened to be pointing in my direction. I have had bull moose preparing for a battle with an incoming bull, take the arrow, continue to prepare for the fight only to rear up and fall over on his back without a kick.

And dozens of other examples where mortally struck animals showed little or no reaction to the actually wound.
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blasted_saber said:
Hoyt... this statement I can't agree with. How on earth is being shot by an arrow less traumatic then the visual of said arrow? If anything I'd say its more traumatic.
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Remember also that the OP started the thread because of what he saw on a hunting show... by "visual" I meant "being witnessed by an observer." Seeing an animal animal running a bleeding could lead to a misunderstanding about what is going on physiologically... that is what I meant.
 
hoytcanon said:
Remember also that the OP started the thread because of what he saw on a hunting show... by "visual" I meant "being witnessed by an observer." Seeing an animal animal running a bleeding could lead to a misunderstanding about what is going on physiologically... that is what I meant.
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I have witnessed worse from rifle shooters! I'm sure most of us with decades of big game hunting could agree with me.
 
Fire306 said:
I'm with hoytcanon, an arrow with a broadhead passing through an animal isn't very traumatic to the animal, no where near what a bullet is.
I haven't had near the success that he has, but have taken a few animals. None acted anything like being shot with a firearm. My father shot a deer with a bow, it lifted its head, looked around, then put its head back down to feed and fell in its tracks seconds later. Unless it strikes a heavy bone and startles them, they bolt, and arrow slipping through the ribcage sometimes the animal flinches like only a bug stung them and carry on their business.
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Shooter1971 said:
Seen this also...arrowed a doe and she went back to eating, then dropped down and rolled over dead.
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Same here, took a buddy bow hunting with me and we saw a smaller yet still shootable buck at 10 yards I took the shot and buddy was like wtf you missed since he looked around unphased at all I nocked another arrow the deer walked a couple feet and fell over dead.
Miss my ass he couldnt beleive the amount of blood on the arrow we recovered.
 
I too have taken animals with arrows that barely, if at all, indicated the passage of the arrow and died within seconds without even enough time to nock a second arrow. I personally think if the guy had the balls to arrow his buff 3 times, he fully and richly deserves his buff. I personally, knowing my first arrow was good, would sit down and wait for him to tip over, or I would be following him with a 470 NE. I do suspect though that one is probably safer following up an arrow wounded buff due to the lack of noise disturbing his psyche as well as the lack of trauma and pain an arrow inflicts. As stated previously most animals do not even seem to know they have been mortally wounded, which in the case of cape buffalo may well go a long ways to a safer following up and consequent arrows.
Just for the record my cape buffalo took 9 X .416, 400 gn bullets at 2400 fps, all passing through the front 1/3 of his body from varying angles at under 75 mtrs...........solids are not the way to go for buffalo !!!!! I'm sure I would have been much more successful with my 300 WM and 200 gn Parts............anyway I know better now.
 
We have all beat this around the bush several different ways from Sunday.
Some choose to fling sticks, some choose to use a smoke pole others are into modern firearms.
Here was a 13 yr old sticking a young bull Elk with an arrow.
Fast forward to 1;05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrWYuh_s1RQ
We choose out methods for reasons only known to us the hunter...the thrill of the chase, the thrill of the hunt, the fair chase.
then when all those things come together we pass the gravy right after the mashed spuds and veggies.
Hunting Season is around the corner and I hope I can at least spend 3 days in Sept. trying to harvest a deer please dont hate me for using a 7x57 and wish everyone as much fun as the young guy had with his hunt.
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
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