Show Me Your (Non-Mechanized) Packers!

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In 1996 I first read about using llamas as pack animals. In 1997 I was living in the US and went to check them out at Stan Ebel's operation (Buckhorn Llama Co.) out of Loveland, CO. Later that year I took my children up 5,000 feet in 5 miles in the Rawah Wilderness area using llamas. Specialized red blood cells allow llamas to carry more oxygen and therefore work without tiring. They can carry 1/3 of their body weight (a load you'd never put on a horse). They can go 3 days without water and don't need supplemental rations in backcountry (they are browsers, like deer...their epicurean philosophy is 'all the world's a salad bar'). They are highly intelligent (teach them once and they got it for life!). And they aren't reactive to anything. I was hooked. I bought my first pair that year and have used them for hunting ever since. I bought a pair and moving back to Canada, I brought them with me to nw MB. Here's the deal. I trailer them to the park boundary (remote entry...non-mechanized access only). There's a 5 mile walk in to a deer yard. I picket them there (if I haven't already got my game). I hunt and almost always succeed (either that or come back the next day). I hang and debone my animal completely using a set of lightweight mountain climbing pulleys. I load the meat on my animals and out we go. It's just that simple. We've walked out many times in the dark...they are sure-footed. During the summer they have enough to graze on in their enclosure. During the winter they consume about 1/4 bale of hay a day a piece (I raise hay so that's no problem). They never get sick and can work into their twenties. And many times I have had game actually come towards me trying to figure out what the heck they are seeing (I cease to exist as they focus on these strange looking critters). The oldest fossil records of llamas is in North America. Llamas do not carry disease that can be transferred to wildlife. Can't tell you how much I look forward to deer season each year up here and being on the trail with them. And they like it too.

Anyway, there's got to be others out there who use horses (I worked on a couple ranches when I was young and can ride and like horses). But for me there's nothing like walking quietly down a trail (they have padded foot pads) with a couple llamas in tow (although in the beginning I felt rather odd).

So if you use packers, I want to see them! And I honour the ancient way of what you do and your animals...

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So what's the best caliber to hunt llamas? Just kidding!:D That's pretty cool! Do you have more pictures?
 
Awesome that you are using them as intended! I think llamas are greatly underestimated and you forgot to mention that they aren't 'sissy' animals by any stretch. Years ago I dated a shepherdess who used llamas as guard animals. Being intimidated by an animal named Noodles wasn't my manliest moment...... :)
 
That is awesome.
I've been looking into llamas as a guard animal, never even considered them as a pack animal (dumb I know, but I generally have used mechanized transport so it never occurred to me).
 
Here's a pic of me taken on one of the few trips when I brought others with. I've invited young hunters to go with me to learn the ropes (literally), but very few are interested. And I don't tell many others about the place for fear it'd be overrun. When most people hear it's 10 miles round trip of walking they just say no. Plus you can camp back in there as long as it's without an open fire. But with my animals it really is a walk in the park (my rifle here is a Rem. 700 Classic in .375 H&H which I slow down and a 250 gr. Barnes-X...open peep sights...very little meat damage)...

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...here's one year after I hung and deboned my deer and am packed and am ready to go home...nice place by the river...snowing but shelter under this spruce...only bones and a gut pile left...ravens were already on the scene...so quiet, peaceful, and beautiful...took me an hour to do my work...

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...this is what it looks like where I hunt...winds into the plateau maybe 15 miles in all?

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I admit that the first time I took them out I felt like a weird cross between Dr. Dolittle and Mr. Dressup! Not very macho. But when I saw that these really are the super-athletes of the animal world I just kept keeping on and don't care what others think any more. I rode horses a lot for many years working cattle. But this is a whole different affair. And they are super cheap (I can buy one for $100 from my supplier)...they cost pennies a year to keep...when I am not using them I just forget about them...they never tangle themselves on a picket...and never ever get sick...and if they don't work out (just like not all horses make good packers, so not all llamas make good packers) they are pretty tasty, actually (10's of millions of South Americans can't be all wrong!)...and I get a yearly harvest of fibre from them, too!

...here's a story for you. I was walking out of a day's hunt in 2009, we came around a sharp bend in the trail, and came face-to-face with three timber wolves at 60 feet! (no lie...paced it off afterward) The llamas were just that quiet and with a gait natural to a 4-legged deer or elk. The wolves were in the actual process of making a kill...had just taken it down. No, I did not shoot. Why? Because I learn by experience. What would they do? They stood there a long time. Then they gave way and left. Good to know that they can do that...not that they will all the time...but that they can do that. When I picketed my llamas I walked over and found this buck, still alive, but hamstrung, badly chewed, and with a broken backbone...they were just starting to open him up. Having answered my question the next time I would shoot...

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...the llamas didn't bat an eye at this...they naturally hate all canines and have attacked strange dogs that have gotten into their enclosure on my place (I feel bad for the dog but they learn their limits really fast)...but they are gentle with me and especially my kids when they were growing up at home...and no, I have never had one be gun shy in the least, but then again they hear me shooting all the time...and llamas have terrific eye sight and hearing, so if two are looking in one direction there's usually something up...never had them bolt on me...and they never kick unless you fool around with their legs...and they are impervious to the -40 we get up here...

...got other pics of my animals and the deer I've taken back there over the years, but then again you've likely seen pics of whitetails before!

Llamas are cheap, efficient, strong, smart, gentle, good companions, and best of all give me an entire private region in which to hunt...in peace and quiet...what more do I want? One of the down sides is that while they will ford streams/rivers, they don't do well in bogs or in crossing flimsy beaver dams (but then again, neither do I!).

Now how about any pics from hunters who use horses! No one?

(PS - US Army has a unit that trained with Buckhorn Llama...llamas are more sure-footed than mules and can ascend/descend steeper grades than a mule...if you don't have to put you hands down in order to climb it, then a llama will be at your side the whole way!)

(PPS - The biggest down-side to llamas are some of the people who raise/promote them...mostly as big pets for the show ring, etc....I don't have anything to do with them...they have dumbed down the public on these burly, gutsy athletes...I have a great supplier for my herd)
 
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Awesome that you are using them as intended! I think llamas are greatly underestimated and you forgot to mention that they aren't 'sissy' animals by any stretch. Years ago I dated a shepherdess who used llamas as guard animals. Being intimidated by an animal named Noodles wasn't my manliest moment...... :)

...man, noodles was probably just being jealous! (a rodney dangerfield moment: ouch...upstaged by a quadruped!)

i have a lot of respect for sheep herders who understand and use llamas...not all of them are good guard animals...but the ones that are are smarter than most humans i know! (sad commentary)

:)
 
That is awesome.
I've been looking into llamas as a guard animal, never even considered them as a pack animal (dumb I know, but I generally have used mechanized transport so it never occurred to me).

...i am afraid that we are losing a lot that our ancestors knew...bringing llamas into the picture really puts me squarely in the position to actually need to learn how they think and to communicate with them...which makes me think the same way about the animals that i hunt...which makes me a far better hunter than if i didn't do this...
 
I have used pack llamas a number of times... my father raised them on his farm (along with Highland cattle)... my dad had two trained to do llama therapy and took them to schools, old age homes, fairs etc...

In Ontario there are limited situations that require a pack llama... but those moose hunts we used them on were unique and memorable.
 
I have used pack llamas a number of times... my father raised them on his farm (along with Highland cattle)... my dad had two trained to do llama therapy and took them to schools, old age homes, fairs etc...

In Ontario there are limited situations that require a pack llama... but those moose hunts we used them on were unique and memorable.

...it's funny that an animal that is so well-suited to genuine backcountry labour can also thrill a kid from the local school!

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...good on ya...good on your dad...
 
Thats awesome. I imagine they would turn out to be great decoys, Every buck, bull or boar would stop and have a good look at them while you stand there getting a good look at them (threw your scope of course)
 
I've always wanted a hobby farm and thrown around the idea of llamas but never thought of using them as pack animals. Really interesting posts, the photos are great.
 
While I acknowledge their worth as pack animals, I have been more impressed with their abilities as guards. We will eventually be raising goats and maintaining our property with less machinery and I was thinking donkey. Can you work llamas to pull a plow or other implement?
Sorry for the derail.
 
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