Show Us Your Evil Black/Green/Brown Prohib Rifles

Bartok5 said:
Here you go - a picture being worth a thousand words. The take-away for me is that they are very similar in profile, with the PE90 (bottom), having a somewhat heavier and longer Chamber Root.


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thank you for the pic! I have always been curious about the "under the hood" profile of the pe90 given how skinny it is forward of the gas block. much appreciated!
 
Bartok5 said:
I'm like that kid's punching bag that is weighted on the bottom so that it never falls over - I just keep rolling with the punches! "Weebles wobble but they don't fall down!"

Yes, it hurts to be attacked by the very same country that I served, especially when I consider that it was my military service that created my enduring passion for military small arms design in the first place. It's one thing to be kicked to the curb by the Canadian Armed Forces and then be shortchanged by Veterans Affairs Canada because you are a "new veteran" injured after 1 April 2006. It is quite another to be threatened with everything from frozen personal banking and resultant financial ruin, or some other equally unacceptable fate, by that same government just because you happen to own something entirely legal that they are ideologically opposed to. I wouldn't have believed that the government could or would CHOOSE to villify the most law-abiding minority segment of the population for votes in progressive urban centers, if weren't actually happening as we speak.....

People sometimes ask why I am pro-Alberta Independence. As if all of the above weren't reason enough! Canada is sadly no longer the same country that I served and sacrificed my legs for 18 years ago. Unchecked government spending and immigration have created societal pressures in affordability, adequate housing, sufficient jobs, etc, etc. And what do Canadians do? Ontario and Quebec re-elect the very party with the same people who ran the country into the ground for the previous decade. Un-fvcking-real. And I'm somehow supposed to be the "traitorous bad guy" because I want a better future for my children than a Lieberal-led Kanada can or will provide? Screw that noise! I'm no traitor - I simply have highly-tuned survival instincts and know where my heart belongs - to Alberta first and foremost. The last bastion of the Western values, societal norms and personal freedoms that used to define Canada as a whole. More's the pity....
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Nice collection and thank you for serving, Bartok.
I agree with your sentiment. This isn't the place for it so deleted my message but, I'll say there's still many who will not stand with property theft by our government when the day comes. That keeps me pretty happy knowing they'd never touch anything I own.
 
Bartok5 said:
I'm like that kid's punching bag that is weighted on the bottom so that it never falls over - I just keep rolling with the punches! "Weebles wobble but they don't fall down!"

Yes, it hurts to be attacked by the very same country that I served, especially when I consider that it was my military service that created my enduring passion for military small arms design in the first place. It's one thing to be kicked to the curb by the Canadian Armed Forces and then be shortchanged by Veterans Affairs Canada because you are a "new veteran" injured after 1 April 2006. It is quite another to be threatened with everything from frozen personal banking and resultant financial ruin, or some other equally unacceptable fate, by that same government just because you happen to own something entirely legal that they are ideologically opposed to. I wouldn't have believed that the government could or would CHOOSE to villify the most law-abiding minority segment of the population for votes in progressive urban centers, if weren't actually happening as we speak.....

People sometimes ask why I am pro-Alberta Independence. As if all of the above weren't reason enough! Canada is sadly no longer the same country that I served and sacrificed my legs for 18 years ago. Unchecked government spending and immigration have created societal pressures in affordability, adequate housing, sufficient jobs, etc, etc. And what do Canadians do? Ontario and Quebec re-elect the very party with the same people who ran the country into the ground for the previous decade. Un-fvcking-real. And I'm somehow supposed to be the "traitorous bad guy" because I want a better future for my children than a Lieberal-led Kanada can or will provide? Screw that noise! I'm no traitor - I simply have highly-tuned survival instincts and know where my heart belongs - to Alberta first and foremost. The last bastion of the Western values, societal norms and personal freedoms that used to define Canada as a whole. More's the pity....
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Thank you for your service and I'm sorry your service related injuries.
 
Ipscshooters said:
Hey Bartok do you have/had a Tec 9 or Tommy Gun?
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I had a 12(3) Converted-Automatic Thompson M1A1 SMG which was a real beauty. Heavy as a brick, but beautifully machined with an incredibly smooth bolt-throw that you could feel when cocking the firearm. I have fired full-auto examples and due to the heavy weight of the gun, recoil from the 230 gr .45 ACP rounds is extremely light. This makes the M1A1 very controllable in full-auto mode.

I have no personal experience with a Tec 9, which by all accounts is a "gangster gun" with limited utility outside of terrorizing your drug-sales competition....
 
I found the Thompson to be pretty easy to shoot too. Initial recoil made it jump but after a a couple quick practice shots it was very predictable and you could just lean into it and keep your muzzle on target.

I'm not very experienced with full auto firearms, my only trigger time is at one of the ranges in Vegas. So take my opinion with a handful of salt.
 
deadman said:
I found the Thompson to be pretty easy to shoot too. Initial recoil made it jump but after a a couple quick practice shots it was very predicd

I'm not very experienced with full auto firearms, my only trigger time is at one of the ranges in Vegas. So take my opinion with a handful of salt.
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What you experienced likely wasn't recoil so much as "bolt jump" - the effect of the heavy Bolt flying forwards under Operating Spring-tension to strip a round, feed and fire it. The front of the firearm jumps upwards when the bolt is released by the sear, causing the first round to hit high if not anticipated and countered. Recoil per-se on an M1A1 Thompson is negligible, unless the ammo is sufficiently powerful to cause the rear of the recoiling Bolt to strike the rear of the Receiver. Normally however, the bolt will simply "run out" under spring tension, coming to a brief stop before accelerating forwards to complete the loading and firing sequence.
 
When I say initial recoil I mean when I first pressed the trigger on a quick burst the muzzle wanted to climb but with a bit of practice it was easy to predict and if sustained it was pretty easy to control and bring back to my poa and hold it there.

If I was wrong about the why, thanks for explaining the physics of it. If this is a result of poor form, I guess I need to get back to it and shoot more.
 
Truly one of the most comprehensive and immaculate collections- not just in Canada, but in the entire world. You sir, are gifted. I am sure most viewers of this thread are in awe. Absolutely incredible curation. Thank you for sharing with us.
 
tonykimatpl said:
Truly one of the most comprehensive and immaculate collections- not just in Canada, but in the entire world. You sir, are gifted. I am sure most viewers of this thread are in awe. Absolutely incredible curation. Thank you for sharing with us.
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Thank-you Tony! Those were very kind words indeed. I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say that my collection is world class, and even in Canada I have seen non-museum collections that blew my mind. There is/was this one underneath a law firm in Fredericton that always comes to mind. Simply amazing content in that unaltered collection of WW2 and Cold War small arms. Stacks (and I mean STACKS) of Uzi SMGs in their original OG Green Styrofoam packaging stacked 15 to 20 tall in multiple locations.... Early trials FN FAL rifles, EM-2 Bullpup, etc, etc. The FAL Tooling alone was to die for.....

As far as personal, non-business collections go, mine is probably one of the more complete in Western Canada when it comes to examples of military rifle development throughout the latter half of the 20th Century. My guns are mostly immaculate in excellent firing condition, aldthough I would happily make them filthy dirty if given the chance to fire them again! But that's about the extent of it and I certainly don't kid myself that my collection is anything particularly wonderful. The big difference is that I have chosen to share the portion of my collection that the governent knows about, with the shooting public on this website. Most collectors are by nature, understandably reclusive when it comes to advertising their possessions. I have layered security with a good RCMP response time so am not overly concerned about theft. So why not share what I have with the interested community? After all, what's the point of collecting if your prized possessions never see the light of day? At least that's how I see it....
 
How about prohib rifles that the government knows about and banned before they were even shipped? I have one of those plus a fair number just like it that have never seen a round down the pipe!PXL_20250526_012143020.MP.jpg
 
Bartok5 said:
Thank-you Tony! Those were very kind words indeed. I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say that my collection is world class, and even in Canada I have seen non-museum collections that blew my mind. There is/was this one underneath a law firm in Fredericton that always comes to mind. Simply amazing content in that unaltered collection of WW2 and Cold War small arms. Stacks (and I mean STACKS) of Uzi SMGs in their original OG Green Styrofoam packaging stacked 15 to 20 tall in multiple locations.... Early trials FN FAL rifles, EM-2 Bullpup, etc, etc. The FAL Tooling alone was to die for.....

As far as personal, non-business collections go, mine is probably one of the more complete in Western Canada when it comes to examples of military rifle development throughout the latter half of the 20th Century. My guns are mostly immaculate in excellent firing condition, aldthough I would happily make them filthy dirty if given the chance to fire them again! But that's about the extent of it and I certainly don't kid myself that my collection is anything particularly wonderful. The big difference is that I have chosen to share the portion of my collection that the governent knows about, with the shooting public on this website. Most collectors are by nature, understandably reclusive when it comes to advertising their possessions. I have layered security with a good RCMP response time so am not overly concerned about theft. So why not share what I have with the interested community? After all, what's the point of collecting if your prized possessions never see the light of day? At least that's how I see it....
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What I have always enjoyed about your collection is that it seems you have paid special attention to collecting specimens from the GWOT era.
As always, nice collection.
 
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