SHTF : Why AR's ?

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popcan said:
Might apply to the other guy too...... so go on the offensive and scare the everloving paralyzing crap out of HIM first! :runaway:
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When you're a normal guy, with a wife and kids, who's trying to live as normal a life as possible, who is "HIM" and why would you go on an offensive?

In a post SHTF world, most normal people will try to live a normal life so therefore they will mostly react to what's happening to them.
 
Well, you need a plan.

So to start:
Me and the wife
-ARs, pistols, shotguns and a bolt
At home.

Stage two:
Meet with group A
-Many ARs, many pistols and shotguns. Bolt guns as needed.
Fall back house with good kill zones.

Stage three:
A dozen people
-ARs gallore, a few liberated goverment properties, misc as needed.
Somewhere in the interior, mountain side, far.
 
Xman said:
When you're a normal guy, with a wife and kids, who's trying to live as normal a life as possible, who is "HIM" and why would you go on an offensive?

In a post SHTF world, most normal people will try to live a normal life so therefore they will mostly react to what's happening to them.
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Yeah, I know... it was kind of a facetious post.... but the point was that
unless the forces coming against you are organized and determined, they may be just as likely to run away if you show a willingness to fight.
 
In a post SHTF world - I'm taking over (after I burn Toronto - pour encourage les autres ;) - well actually just for fun)


I have the means to control my local environment 24/7 for a given period of time.

For the truly paranoid -
- fresh water (do you have a handpump well?)
- food - fresh vegtables, dairy, meat

-POL supplies

- energy production (windmill, watermill)

- heat (either from above or wood)

- weapons and the ability to produce more (okay pretty much only PGW Steve has us there)

- ammo - stockpiles - ability to produce (for the reloaders - how many million rounds, brass, powder and primers do you have) *back to knock off the TDM

- intelligence, communications, surviellance etc issues?

- support network (if your fort/compound becomes beseiged)

-emergency travel (if your QRF is on days off and you need to GTFOOD)


There is a big difference for prep for a TEOTWAWKI situation, and a small scale SHTF issue -- the second is reasonable and prudent to be prepared for -- the first well if your Bill Gates and can afford it...
 
i have wanted a missile silo for like 10 years. could easilly set up shop in there to stay for a very, very long time with no worry of outsides getting in.
 
I can't imagine a SHTF scenario happening in Canada that would be much worse than what happened in New Orleans after Katrina.

You certainly don't need 10,000rnds of ammo and concrete bunkers for something like that...

The heavy stuff would only be necessary if a ground force invaded the country. In that case I'd load all my #### in the truck and head to the nearest military base to volunteer if they needed help.
 
In the city I am only prepared to survive with my family for 6 days max with pre-positioned stores. Then I would have to re-supply via foraging.

Or, use that time and supply to get to location Alternate One or Two...in which case we can survive for an unlimited amount of time.

Hope it never comes to that!
 
darko said:
I can't imagine a SHTF scenario happening in Canada that would be much worse than what happened in New Orleans after Katrina.

You certainly don't need 10,000rnds of ammo and concrete bunkers for something like that...
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the concrete bunkers are in the usa though. So maybe you do need 10k rounds :)

darko said:
The heavy stuff would only be necessary if a ground force invaded the country. In that case I'd load all my s**t in the truck and head to the nearest military base to volunteer if they needed help.
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and then they shoot you at their door step.



I have watched too many zombie movies i guess lol
 
Always an interesting subject when you are sitting around with the guys choking back a couple of wet ones. For those of us who were alive at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis, this was a very serious topic at the time. It arose again just before y2k. Just before "y2k" I had a friend show me the article by Kurt Saxon, called "Fantasy & Weaponry" (http: // www.kurtsaxon.com/defense001.htm). Very interesting, while you might find his choices aren't for everyone, the article is worth reading.

This year I believe is the 50th year that shooters, both in service and out of service have tried to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear with the AR 15/M16 series. While remarkable advancements have been made in the last 10 years, not everyone has one of these up to date "wonderguns". Some people actually have older AR's.

I have an AR like many people, it is an excellent game gun for shooting things like bowling pins, paper targets, clay pigeons. Basicly with my experience, knowledge, geographical location it wouldn't be my first choice. Like the real estate salesman said "location, location, location". In my location in 365 days the temperature fluctuates from -40 to +35C. Winds here of 25 to 35 kph are a fact of life. It has been my experience (in Alaska in February) that the AR system is not conducive to 3 weeks or more in the bush in severe temperature conditions. It might be great gun for that great unwashed toilet called Toronto (I was born and raised there, so I reserve the right to call it that) but out west I just doesn't cut the mustard. I would want the capability to get the "long distance" feeling that telus just can't provide. Make mine either an M1 Garand or an M1A. .308 rules the prairies.

SKS are nice guns for those with little money and no requirement for sustained accurate shooting past 50-100 yds. I personally don't believe that you need 3,300 rds to be prepared. If you need that many rds to stay alive, you are obviously doing something wrong! Just my humble opinion.
 
Well... the SHTF lockbox contains
2 - D model SKS with 5 back up riveted 30 mag rounds each
box of spare parts and sks specific tools
1- Winchester model 70, 7mm rem mag, classic stainless in syntetic stock for reachin out there
1 - remington tactical 870 express magnum
2- 1911 .45 autos with 5 mags each
1- shorty m14s pistol gripped, adjustable length stock and 6 mags.
ammo to feed the lot for extended durations
and a big ass very sharp knife :D

bring on the zombie hordes :50cal:

oh... and i'll keep my 8 1/2" tuned AR for if all the above breaks ;)
 
Skip said:
Principle problem with an 870, (or any shotgun), is that you are easily picked off with the guy with the AR... ;)
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You are thinking that the guy with the pump is walking across an open field??

The guy with the AR will be cut in half when the 870 goes off when he comes around the corner..............:50cal:
 
That's an interesting read, Garand.

While the fundamental point raised is valid (marksmanship will trump mall ninja gear every time), his choices are rather outdated.

Properly aimed fire will always be more effective than unaimed fire. A properly aimed M1 will be far more lethal than a poorly aimed AR, and a properly aimed AR will be far more effective than a poorly aimed M1. What does this tell us?

Fundamentally, it is the individual, their marksmanship skills, and their ability to effectively carry on the non-shooting parts of combat (finding effective cover, moving, showing up with friends, communicating with said friends, remaining effective when someone is shooting at you) that will determine the outcome.

I live in Calgary and work all over Alberta and NE BC, so I know about the climate that you're referring to. I can state with confidence that a properly operated AR can handle anything that Alberta's climate can dish out. This is also true of ten year old AR's. I spent more than enough time carrying a 20" barreled, fixed stock, iron-sighted C7 to know that it's a good piece of kit. Give me one of those today, and I'll still tell you that it's a good piece of kit. Maybe not as good as the current generation of AR's, but certainly serviceable and effective out to at least 200 meters...which is the range that statistically sees most infantry combat.

As far as M1 vs. M14 vs. 870 vs. Boltgun vs. AR...what is the correct choice will depend on where you are and the situation. An AR sits comfortably in the middle of that spectrum...while not the best choice for every given situation, it is at least useful in the vast majority of situations, and downright good in many. That's why it's a sound SHTF choice.
 
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