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SHTF : Why AR's ?
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LOL So True!
"Honey, Did You see those little flashes of light?"
"No Dear"
"Honey, Those little clouds look like mushrooms"
"Yes Dear, I'm going to bed,........ it's late"
Agentmango,
I agree that a small/rented residence does not work well for SHTF preps. Although, seeing as how space is limited your preps should require less effort and less money to adequately stock up.
You mentioned not sacrificing ones current lifestyle at the expense of preps. You also indicate that you have investments in a bank/mutual funds. RRSP/mutual funds/hole in the mattress are all "preps" in their own right. All the financial investing and saving won't help one bit if you get killed in a car accident tomorrow. However, not planning for the future is just as pointless as worrying about it. Financial collapse is an excellent reason for preps and financial collapse is far more likely than complete SHTF.
TDC
I agree that a small/rented residence does not work well for SHTF preps. Although, seeing as how space is limited your preps should require less effort and less money to adequately stock up.
You mentioned not sacrificing ones current lifestyle at the expense of preps. You also indicate that you have investments in a bank/mutual funds. RRSP/mutual funds/hole in the mattress are all "preps" in their own right. All the financial investing and saving won't help one bit if you get killed in a car accident tomorrow. However, not planning for the future is just as pointless as worrying about it. Financial collapse is an excellent reason for preps and financial collapse is far more likely than complete SHTF.
TDC
Q: SHTF : Why AR's ?
A: Because some people like to use 3 or more .223 bullets to kill a zombie when a proper .308 caliber would do the job in one shot.
Yah I know you can install a .308 barrel on an AR and such, just rattling chains.
A: Because some people like to use 3 or more .223 bullets to kill a zombie when a proper .308 caliber would do the job in one shot.
Yah I know you can install a .308 barrel on an AR and such, just rattling chains.
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Originally Posted by Claven2
That won't be a factor. You'd need to go looking for potable water and/or food LONG before you ever had to fire off 3300 rounds. In fact, if anyone comes at your house strong enough to require 3300 rounds, you are going to LOOSE.
When you finally DO have to leave sanctuary to forage, you can;t carry anywhere near that much ammo anyhow
Ive carried 1000 rounds of 7.62, including water and food for 5 days in the field, not mentionong my 30lb GPMG... as long as your in shape u can carry around enough ammo to fend for yourself for a couple days outside of your home in a SHTF situation.
Originally Posted by Claven2
That won't be a factor. You'd need to go looking for potable water and/or food LONG before you ever had to fire off 3300 rounds. In fact, if anyone comes at your house strong enough to require 3300 rounds, you are going to LOOSE.
When you finally DO have to leave sanctuary to forage, you can;t carry anywhere near that much ammo anyhow
Ive carried 1000 rounds of 7.62, including water and food for 5 days in the field, not mentionong my 30lb GPMG... as long as your in shape u can carry around enough ammo to fend for yourself for a couple days outside of your home in a SHTF situation.
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There was a guy on AR15 who went through Argentina's economic crash. His little right up is THE guide to surviving a realistic SHTF scenario. Why? Because he did.
One of his big points was that all the guys talking about AR15's being the go to gun are planning for the wrong thing. As he said, "You're not just going to wake up one day and everything has changed." It will be gradual. Would you be able to go to work now with a rifle on your back? Basically, a handgun is a must in the city because it is concealable. A rifle is for protecting your home.
That being said, if we are talking the mother of all SHTF, then the AR15 is a good choice because it is compatible with what the military is using. Easier to scavenge bodies for ammo and parts if you are using the same rifle. Plus the odd raid on supply convoys can be helpful.
I think if we are in a SHTF situation,the shotgun is a better choice for protecting your Family.....i would not be picking up my AR.
NavyShooter
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One thing no-one's mentioned....
A level in the progression of levels of force.
"An armed presence"
What would be more likely to deter you...a guy with grand-dad's old pump-shotty, or someone present with an AR type rifle?
At close range, both could be equally effective, but there may be a higher level of intimidation to a potential adversary if you present yourself armed with an AR, and demonstrate the ease in handling it that exhibits competence with the weapon.
NS
(Now, Joe the armchair general with "Elite rifle-handling skillz" and a good case of fumble-hands when it comes to carrying it might not be so intimidating, but he's probably also planning on ruling the situation in a TEOTWAWKI using his "uber-ninja-commando-squad-JTF3-Delta-Ranger" skills, so he has no need to prepare anyhow...all he needs is ammo for his incompetently handled rifle and he'll "Rule")
A level in the progression of levels of force.
"An armed presence"
What would be more likely to deter you...a guy with grand-dad's old pump-shotty, or someone present with an AR type rifle?
At close range, both could be equally effective, but there may be a higher level of intimidation to a potential adversary if you present yourself armed with an AR, and demonstrate the ease in handling it that exhibits competence with the weapon.
NS
(Now, Joe the armchair general with "Elite rifle-handling skillz" and a good case of fumble-hands when it comes to carrying it might not be so intimidating, but he's probably also planning on ruling the situation in a TEOTWAWKI using his "uber-ninja-commando-squad-JTF3-Delta-Ranger" skills, so he has no need to prepare anyhow...all he needs is ammo for his incompetently handled rifle and he'll "Rule")
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Bah, Joe the Armchair General would go crazy and jump off a cliff first chance he'd get if the Internet ever crapped out for good.
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SHTF guns
Interesting thread......
The right gun(s) to have when the SHTF will be just that...The Ones You Have!
Having some in the 1st place will be a big plus.....won't nec be so in case we haven't noticed.
Having AMMO for them is prolly the biggest issue.
Having ammo on hand, sufficient quantity, portable enough to bug out with and or transport/carry reasonably.
These are what I see as the 2 biggest issues for SHTF scenarios.
This being said, 22lr becomes pretty appealing.
The 22lr is a no brainer with cost/portability/availability/concealability in mind.
You can carry a couple hundred rds on your person wearing shorts and a t shirt. A properly placed single 22lr shot will kill anything within reason walking this continent and the deterent factor is the same when waving any long gun at someone who doesn't have one.
Concealability will be determined how handy you are with a saw!
The expense of buying/maintaining a 22lr also makes it realistic for anyone to do and in fact opens the door to owning multiple guns and squirling them away for rendundancy and or the requirement to be "unarmed immediately" means throwing it away and not recovering it.
Me thinks owning a dozen 1022's with 30 or 40 mags and several thous rds of ammo makes a lot of sense.
Once we trancend the reality of actual sustainance and simple protection for outright chaos well then it's another matter.
High cap assault rifles and combat shotty's will of course be optimal.
Here again, the guns you have and the ammo you have for them will trump anything else. Not like you'll be buying either over the internet once tSHTF.
Interesting thread......
The right gun(s) to have when the SHTF will be just that...The Ones You Have!
Having some in the 1st place will be a big plus.....won't nec be so in case we haven't noticed.
Having AMMO for them is prolly the biggest issue.
Having ammo on hand, sufficient quantity, portable enough to bug out with and or transport/carry reasonably.
These are what I see as the 2 biggest issues for SHTF scenarios.
This being said, 22lr becomes pretty appealing.
The 22lr is a no brainer with cost/portability/availability/concealability in mind.
You can carry a couple hundred rds on your person wearing shorts and a t shirt. A properly placed single 22lr shot will kill anything within reason walking this continent and the deterent factor is the same when waving any long gun at someone who doesn't have one.
Concealability will be determined how handy you are with a saw!
The expense of buying/maintaining a 22lr also makes it realistic for anyone to do and in fact opens the door to owning multiple guns and squirling them away for rendundancy and or the requirement to be "unarmed immediately" means throwing it away and not recovering it.
Me thinks owning a dozen 1022's with 30 or 40 mags and several thous rds of ammo makes a lot of sense.
Once we trancend the reality of actual sustainance and simple protection for outright chaos well then it's another matter.
High cap assault rifles and combat shotty's will of course be optimal.
Here again, the guns you have and the ammo you have for them will trump anything else. Not like you'll be buying either over the internet once tSHTF.
Ardent
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I get a kick out of all the AR etc "SHTF" rifles... that's about the last gun you'd want in such a scenario in Canada, but I guess some Canadians would stick to the cities if all went to hell, and they can have 'em. 
First place I'd go is the bush with a .22. People that fantasize about holding off the hoards with tactical tupperware while standing in front of a mirror sucking in the beer gut, or conversely trying to look not skinny and 19 are doing the nation a disservice by neglecting to post youtube videos and photos of themselves "in action". This would provide more gratefully accepted comic relief for the firearm owner's population at large. Fortunately the US firearms community holds its own in the "tool quotient", giving us hours of amusement. Many here provide the same, though sadly without the pictures, minus an undersized avatar self portrait looking what they deem to be, shall we say, "hardcore".
A SHTF gun would be a Springfield M6 .22LR/.410, not an AR, G36K, M60 or laser impulse device; the Air Force and common sense agrees.
First place I'd go is the bush with a .22. People that fantasize about holding off the hoards with tactical tupperware while standing in front of a mirror sucking in the beer gut, or conversely trying to look not skinny and 19 are doing the nation a disservice by neglecting to post youtube videos and photos of themselves "in action". This would provide more gratefully accepted comic relief for the firearm owner's population at large. Fortunately the US firearms community holds its own in the "tool quotient", giving us hours of amusement. Many here provide the same, though sadly without the pictures, minus an undersized avatar self portrait looking what they deem to be, shall we say, "hardcore".
A SHTF gun would be a Springfield M6 .22LR/.410, not an AR, G36K, M60 or laser impulse device; the Air Force and common sense agrees.
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Holy necro post!!
And there I was thinking that everybody was just using "zombie" as a polite euphemism for "the hordes of desperate starving looting cannibalistic former urban Liberal-voting sheeple that are going to be flooding out of the cities like rats fleeing a sinking ship when TSHTF"...
SHTF scenario #1: The Rich are ULTRA Rich (locked away in closed off compounds), the poor are eating each-other in the streets... literally. The military roves the streets blasting away at anyone suspected of committing a crime carrying on and pushing the gov't agenda.
A handgun is your only option.
SHTF Scenario #2: No Government exists. Free for all.
I'm thinking a handgun is still the master here as anyone with a rifle will most likely be picked off by someone else with a rifle for his rifle and ammo.
However, if you are holed up somewhere in a new community with your buds around then rifles will be #1 as you'll be picking off people with rifles to take their rifle and ammunition
Luckily though, we are still at least 2 years away form either scenario becoming reality
A handgun is your only option.
SHTF Scenario #2: No Government exists. Free for all.
I'm thinking a handgun is still the master here as anyone with a rifle will most likely be picked off by someone else with a rifle for his rifle and ammo.
However, if you are holed up somewhere in a new community with your buds around then rifles will be #1 as you'll be picking off people with rifles to take their rifle and ammunition
Luckily though, we are still at least 2 years away form either scenario becoming reality
300Spartans
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This really is a zombie thread:
......back from the dead....
......back from the dead....
angryeyebrows
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You can keep your .22 LR, I'll grab the AR. Magazines, parts and ammo would be plentiful simply due to the fact that the military uses a similar weapon. I think it's wise to use the service rifle of whatever country you are in. When your .22 ####s the bed where will you get parts?
Obviously there are lots of variables and question marks in the whole scenario but at least from a supply point of view, if you were using an AR you'd be able to rebomb and repair using the CF's resources.
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