I’m not one who likes super high powered scopes. I would almost say 18 power is right around as high as I’d wanna use but I want this scope for my v22, to shoot groups on paper and also for my 223 target gun. 14 power would prob allow me to shoot decent groups at 100 yards no?
Shv 4-14 or shv 5-20 for rimfire.
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I would suggest buying FFP. I have owned both of the scopes you mention and theyre great glass,however if you decide to shoot some ground squirrels or whatever its nice to just dial and shoot. The 4.5-14 is available in the F1 model which is FFP. It should be more than adequate for shooting !00 yards! Many moons ago I shot in a BR class that was 6X magnification and the groups turned in by competent shooters were not far from the Light and Heavy Varmint classes, which used very high magnification optics. You need a sampler pack of ammo delivered in the mail to Winkler!!! That Vudoo deserves some, well not CCI ammo, affordable better grade food!
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Depends on the scope and the scaling of the reticle. There are now many FFP reticles which are not overly thick at high mag
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I have switched all my optics to FFp and will never go back. They are so small on low power its like shooting a fixed fine cross hair. I have scopes from 12x to 30x on high power and they do not block any of your field of view. Many have an open center with a 1/4dot. I use to think exactly the same as you but then shot some of my friends and that ended with me spending a lot of money converting all to FFP. Your dope will also be true at any power level where as the SFP is only calibrated for one power usually indicated by a coloured number on the power ring which quite often is 10x. Dial for that and switch power and youll be punchin dirt or shootin clouds!
Obviously I didn't shoot my friends. I did however use their FFP scopes which quickly changed my mind and all my glass{scopes for clarification}. Too much power is easy, just turn the ring to a lower power. High power will quickly show you forum errors in ur shooting. That's why many don't like high power, breathing ,heart beat etc.
Go with the Athlon instead of the SHV. FFP and lots of magnification if you want. Jerry can help with that scope. Having the higher power to spot 22 holes is always nice and then dial it back to where you want to shoot.
Agreed on the heartbeat concern at higher power. Had to time shots with my heart beat using the SII 36X on my 22.
Agreed on the heartbeat concern at higher power. Had to time shots with my heart beat using the SII 36X on my 22.
The OP and many posters know the following, but the more casual reader should be aware of a few considerations.
Unlike a FFP optic, with a SFP scope, the thickness of the reticle doesn't change as magnification is turned up on a variable magnification scope. A fine crosshair reticle is usually preferred by paper target shooters who shoot at known distances, such as in bench shooting, because it won't block out a small point of aim. A crosshair that is wider than a bullet hole or two is less desirable for shooters who want to set the center of the reticle as precisely as possible. At prescribed distances such as 50 or 100 yards, SFP scopes are sighted for that range and it's not expected to shoot at other distances without making scope adjustments.
As noted by Longstud in post #5 FFP scopes are useful when shooting at varying distances and using the scope for factoring in "dope" such as bullet drop and wind drift, such as in CRPS-style shooting events. To illustrate, the mil or MOA points or lines on the reticle will be accurate throughout the magnification range of the scope. With SFP scopes, the mil/MOA points are valid at one magnification level only, with some calculations required for multiples of that level. Whether to chose a FFP or SFP scope will depend largely on the most common use of the rifle and glass.
It's important to keep in mind a few things with regard to high power scopes, FFP or SFP, and movement caused by external factors whether they be heartbeat or breathing or vibration from the bench or rest. The key is always stability. If a sight picture moves because of the bench, then the bench and rest or bipod is not stable enough. Same for heartbeat. This is often a more significant problem with lighter rifles that need to be held more tightly than heavier ones.
A stable bench and rest should allow the use of high power scopes without movement in the sight picture. The thing is that if there is movement with a high magnification scope, that movement itself doesn't disappear with a lower magnification optic. It's still there. The difference is that while the shooter notices it less or not at all and finds that reassuring, the rifle is still moving just the same and that has a negative impact on the target downrange.
Unlike a FFP optic, with a SFP scope, the thickness of the reticle doesn't change as magnification is turned up on a variable magnification scope. A fine crosshair reticle is usually preferred by paper target shooters who shoot at known distances, such as in bench shooting, because it won't block out a small point of aim. A crosshair that is wider than a bullet hole or two is less desirable for shooters who want to set the center of the reticle as precisely as possible. At prescribed distances such as 50 or 100 yards, SFP scopes are sighted for that range and it's not expected to shoot at other distances without making scope adjustments.
As noted by Longstud in post #5 FFP scopes are useful when shooting at varying distances and using the scope for factoring in "dope" such as bullet drop and wind drift, such as in CRPS-style shooting events. To illustrate, the mil or MOA points or lines on the reticle will be accurate throughout the magnification range of the scope. With SFP scopes, the mil/MOA points are valid at one magnification level only, with some calculations required for multiples of that level. Whether to chose a FFP or SFP scope will depend largely on the most common use of the rifle and glass.
It's important to keep in mind a few things with regard to high power scopes, FFP or SFP, and movement caused by external factors whether they be heartbeat or breathing or vibration from the bench or rest. The key is always stability. If a sight picture moves because of the bench, then the bench and rest or bipod is not stable enough. Same for heartbeat. This is often a more significant problem with lighter rifles that need to be held more tightly than heavier ones.
A stable bench and rest should allow the use of high power scopes without movement in the sight picture. The thing is that if there is movement with a high magnification scope, that movement itself doesn't disappear with a lower magnification optic. It's still there. The difference is that while the shooter notices it less or not at all and finds that reassuring, the rifle is still moving just the same and that has a negative impact on the target downrange.
The OP and many posters know the following, but the more casual reader should be aware of a few considerations.
Unlike a FFP optic, with a SFP scope, the thickness of the reticle doesn't change as magnification is turned up on a variable magnification scope. A fine crosshair reticle is usually preferred by paper target shooters who shoot at known distances, such as in bench shooting, because it won't block out a small point of aim. A crosshair that is wider than a bullet hole or two is less desirable for shooters who want to set the center of the reticle as precisely as possible. At prescribed distances such as 50 or 100 yards, SFP scopes are sighted for that range and it's not expected to shoot at other distances without making scope adjustments.
As noted by Longstud in post #5 FFP scopes are useful when shooting at varying distances and using the scope for factoring in "dope" such as bullet drop and wind drift, such as in CRPS-style shooting events. To illustrate, the mil or MOA points or lines on the reticle will be accurate throughout the magnification range of the scope. With SFP scopes, the mil/MOA points are valid at one magnification level only, with some calculations required for multiples of that level. Whether to chose a FFP or SFP scope will depend largely on the most common use of the rifle and glass.
It's important to keep in mind a few things with regard to high power scopes, FFP or SFP, and movement caused by external factors whether they be heartbeat or breathing or vibration from the bench or rest. The key is always stability. If a sight picture moves because of the bench, then the bench and rest or bipod is not stable enough. Same for heartbeat. This is often a more significant problem with lighter rifles that need to be held more tightly than heavier ones.
A stable bench and rest should allow the use of high power scopes without movement in the sight picture. The thing is that if there is movement with a high magnification scope, that movement itself doesn't disappear with a lower magnification optic. It's still there. The difference is that while the shooter notices it less or not at all and finds that reassuring, the rifle is still moving just the same and that has a negative impact on the target downrange.
Excellent post and explanation for all to comprehend. Thanks for the great visual comparisons of the two. Cheers Chris
