SIG 250 in the July issue of Guns & Ammo

You guys might laugh at me for this, but... is it possible that SIG got some of their ideas for the P250 from the little Walther P22? That is the only other gun I know of where the serial number is on the the receiver and there is a little window in the frame to see it. On the P22, if you take out the two main roll pins the whole guts of the gun just lifts right out and the grip that is left is just a piece of plastic which has no metal attached to it and no moving parts except the disassembly catch at the front. Here is a picture of mine.

P22_disassemble.jpg


The window/serial number thing is on the other side:

P22_rightside_small.jpg


Despite it's early bad press, IMHO the P22 is a really awesome little design. I've got about 15,000 rounds (in a year) through mine now and it is working better than ever. If someone made a 9mm based on the same design (I have a P99 9mm too, and that is a completely different design, it just has some of the same styling) I would buy it in a minute. The "same design" would be (roughly) a small, SA/DA hammer-fired gun with a similarly tiny trigger travel and 4 pound pull, and with a fixed barrel. The disassembly thing would be a bonus too.

The Steyr M-A1 series pistols have a system where you can lift the receiver "box" out of the gun, just leaving the grip, although I have never tried this on mine. I guess the theory is that you can pop that out and put in another one and get back out in "the field" while somebody fixes whatever the issue is with the receiver. SIG seems to be doing the "pop out" thing on the P250 more for the interchangeable grip than maintenance, but it will serve both functions on the P250. The P250 looks dead simple to get super clean and working perfectly.

For the kind of gun I'm wanting, a "big P22", (other than the removable "box" issue) people have told me I should try a P7M8 or P7M13, and believe me I want one. Fixed barrel, nice single action trigger pull, small size... Reliable Gun just sold out all of what they say is the last shipment they will ever get. :( I'm still not sold on the idea of $2,000 9mm pistol though, when there are a number of other firearms also on my list. Some other options might be one of the .380 guns with a fixed barrel, like a PPK or a SIG P230/232, etc. I would need a restricted one though, unfortunately.

Anyway, just some thoughts. I've read the full article on the SIG P250 now, and I am quite intrigued by it. The DAO 9 pound trigger sounds kind of stale for target shooting though. Good for cops, bad for picking your spots on paper.

If we could finally get some 9mm P229 with factory 106mm SIG barrels in Canada would be nice too. Maybe I'll take the plunge on one of the remaining P229 .40S&W's that are around. Perhaps that is all we will be able to get anytime soon (other than the ubiquitous P226).
 
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peckerwood said:
Which came first...the Walther P22 or the KelTec P11?

;)

Not to mention the KelTec P32 and P3AT as well.

o.k., ... I figured there were some other designs out there that use this idea. I'm not very familiar with KelTec pistols though.

These three pistols would all be prohib in Canada, for barrel length, or in the case of the P32, both barrel length and calibre. Probably explains why I'm not familiar with them.

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/p11.html

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/p32.html

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/p3at.html

Speaking of Keltec... man is that PLR 16 ever a cool sci-fi looking pistol. That and the SU-16D!

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/plr16.html

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/su16d.html
 
Yawn, another plastic-framed cop gun looking to take on Glock and fail miserably because it arrived 20 years too late.

If you want a plastic-framed Sauer-made gun, get a SIG Pro, at least you have the option of a SA trigger pull.

The P250 has been touted for ages, it's been up on the Sauer website for years.
 
and what has Glock done with it's design in the last number of years? I know they had issues with the frames not being able to bend when lights are attached to the rails and they have yet to be able to offer changeable grips. Glock are decent guns but the design is getting old and will be in trouble if they don't do a major redesign soon.
 
cybershooters said:
Yawn, another plastic-framed cop gun looking to take on Glock and fail miserably because it arrived 20 years too late.

LOL. My first thoughts as well...

Colin said:
and what has Glock done with it's design in the last number of years? I know they had issues with the frames not being able to bend when lights are attached to the rails and they have yet to be able to offer changeable grips. Glock are decent guns but the design is getting old and will be in trouble if they don't do a major redesign soon.

I don't know about trouble per se, but a bit of innovation would be nice. Then again I don't hang a light off mine, and I have XXL hands that fit a G21 comfortably.... I guess thats why I never saw the need for the big G to modify their original design.
 
From my reading there has been design issues that were addressed through the various generations, the light issue came up recently and the theory is that the light prevents the frame from flexing as it should, seems to be a problem with the .40cals mainly. The trigger safety also requires proper training and good habits. It is a good gun, but the lack of changeable grips is going to hurt Glock if they don’t figure out a way to keep up. The ability to change out the frame to a different size for the same gun might have good appeal to police agencies. Also apparently Crimson Trace is working on a built in laser and the possibility of a built in light is also an interesting thought.

Glock beat out people with a good design that could undercut the prices of other guns, plus their marketing was better. In business you can only rest on your laurels for so long.
 
Look, I totally agree that Glocks aren't perfection, contrary to the advertising, however some obscure pistol design albeit by a well-known manufacturer is going to change their lock on the market. The SIG Pro, hmm, yes, that seems to be doing well, and I think the S&W M&P will give Glock a run for their money. The P250 on the other hand...
 
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