Sig 556
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P0WERWAGON
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MPI said:No. It is marketed as a SIG 55X variant and SIG 55X are prohibited by name. Save for a Swiss Arms and never look back.
so you work for the RCMP and have already made a determination on these rifles? if not please STFU!!!
P0WERWAGON said:
I'm looking and I'm looking and I DON'T SEE WHERE THE f**k I SAID THEY MADE A DETERMINATION ON THESE RIFLES!!
I only said facts.
He asked...
Paul said:
I said no. Which is true.
I said they are being marketed as a variant of the SIG 55X, WHICH THEY ARE! (For clarity that's in the U.S.A in case any are blind and DUMB
) I said the SIG 55X are prohibited by name (in Canada). THEY ARE.
I also said save for a Swiss Arms and never look back, which is also true, you won't.
The Swiss Arms are legal and SIG 55x's are not - end of story.
I hate s**tpumps who jump all over some one out of fear and lack of intelligence. When and if the SIG 556 ever gets here is unknown, until then buy a Swiss Arms.
mebiuspower
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Sigarms 556 is NOT marketed as a variant of a prohibited firearm. In fact, it is not marketed at all in this country at this point.MPI said:No. It is marketed as a SIG 55X variant and SIG 55X are prohibited by name. Save for a Swiss Arms and never look back.
Besides, what the gun is "marketed" as has absolutely no relevance on its legal status. It can be marketed as a butt wiping accessory and still be prohibited. If/when somebody tries to import the 556, the RCMP forensic experts will make a determination on whether it is a prohibited variant. Without going into details, there are a number of restricted/non-restricted firearms sold in this country that bear a closer resemblance to certain prohibited rifles than the 556 does to the prohibited SIG 550. So it is by no means a safe bet to assume that the 556 will be deemed a prohibited variant.
You cannot just assume that since it is called that 556 that it is a 55x variant. That is really stupid, sorry to all of you guys that assume so.
In fact, if you want to play devils advocate then I would say that there is a bigger danger of the rifle being restricted as an AR variant than prohibited as a 55x variant.
Really, it pisses me off how people jump to conclusions. It is like saying that because some SKS's were made in Russia that it is a variant of the AK. They are markedly different rifles.
Also, I disagree completely with your saying that a Swiss Arms rifle is necessarily going to be much better. I have heard some rave reviews about the 556 by people who know what they are on about...
In fact, if you want to play devils advocate then I would say that there is a bigger danger of the rifle being restricted as an AR variant than prohibited as a 55x variant.
Really, it pisses me off how people jump to conclusions. It is like saying that because some SKS's were made in Russia that it is a variant of the AK. They are markedly different rifles.
Also, I disagree completely with your saying that a Swiss Arms rifle is necessarily going to be much better. I have heard some rave reviews about the 556 by people who know what they are on about...
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Based on the photos, it's a bunch of American parts mixed with Swiss-made parts. I'm still not entirely sure how that's legal, because of ATF redefining 18 USC 925(d)(3) to ban the import of barrels for non-importable firearms (the 556 is made partly in the US, so it's not classed as imported under 922(r)).
So you have the choice between a firearm where some of the parts are made in Switzerland, with various US-made parts cobbled on, or you have the choice of a firearm completely made in Switzerland.
Bit of a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.
Bear in mind the sole reason for the existence of this rifle is because the Swiss Arms-made rifle is not legally importable into the US. Why would you want "made to be legally compliant" rifle when you can buy the real deal?
So you have the choice between a firearm where some of the parts are made in Switzerland, with various US-made parts cobbled on, or you have the choice of a firearm completely made in Switzerland.
Bit of a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.
Bear in mind the sole reason for the existence of this rifle is because the Swiss Arms-made rifle is not legally importable into the US. Why would you want "made to be legally compliant" rifle when you can buy the real deal?
HKfan said:
SIGARMs marketed the gun as an American SG550. That is what their advertising copy said. The RCMP forensics folks make determinations all the time based on what the manufacturer claims. Why do a more detailed study if the manufacturer states that it is a varient of a prohibited firearm? I am pretty certain that unless some very heavy pressure is brought to bear this rifle will be prohibited, if it isn't already.
Since the 556 rifles are still not in production, all that exists is speculation about their performance.
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redleg said:
And I have a feeling they won't be. Like I said, I can't understand how they can legally import the barrels for them, their website says "late summer", which sounds as though they might be tooling up to make the entire thing in the US, so no Swiss parts at all or not many. I could go into more details but tell JR to check his PMs...
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HKfan said:
If you look at the pictures of it they've clearly taken the upper from a SG550, fiddled with it a bit and then bolted it onto an AR-15 style lower. And even the trigger mech is clearly from the SG550. So hardly surprisingly, it shoots much like a SG550.
The question is whether the production guns will be made entirely or largely in the US, rather than being simply a SG550 imported from Switzerland with a new lower and some other bits bolted onto it. (My personal feeling is that the only way to do it legally is to largely make it in the US, because of 922(r) and the ATF ruling recently on barrels).
You can prove anything with a prototype. *cough* Reed Knight *cough* All-American 2000 *cough*
One of the things I like about the original product are the magazines, because they hinge solidly into the magazine well unlike the AR-15 magazines that are held in place with a stud. So that feature at least will be missing as it uses AR-15 magazines.
