Sig mosquito vs CZ kadet
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Are Ruger mk III reliable as well?
Mine was. I only sold it because I got the Kadet kit for the Shadow. That way I could practice with cheaper .22 on the same frame/trigger.
This one is easy: one is a toy and the other is a real firearm...
Actually, I am slightly biased as I own a CZ75 and purchased the Kadet kit to help defray costs while practising IPSC type scenarios; however, I love .22s and I have indeed shot the Sig--it certainly looks cool... Here are a few of the Kadet's attributes:
1. The slide is all steel (durable) and the magazines (also steel) are the exact same size as the 9mm so the entire pistol weighs and points the same as its big brother
2. It is easy to field strip--just remove the slide stop: calibres change in seconds
3. You will reap the benefits of any grip and trigger work you have had done as only the slide changes: so that 2# hairtrigger with the clean, crisp break and short reset will of course work with both the 75 and the Kadet--no learning to reshoot another firearm
4. It fits into a CZ 75 holster; albeit a bit tight, but it will fit, and the mags fit in the 9mm mag pouches--so use your competition belt
5. Parts are readily available and sight dovetails on the CZ75 series and the Kadets are the same so you can easily add fibreoptics or combat sights if desired; however, the Kadet comes with adjustable LPA sight installed and can be set up for the same POA/POI as your main caliber.
6. While it is true that the entire slide does not move like the poster above mentioned, it is no problem to operate and has serrations for racking. This is not unusual as .22 pistols have inherent problems with design due to the lips on the cartridge base (which require a banana-like curve for reliable feeding from large capacity magazines--think 10/22 banana mags), and the small amount of recoil energy available to cycle the action resulting in the use of lighter(less durable) composite materials in many .22 auto pistols today (Walther, S&W (22A), Sig, Beretta, etc.). Of course, if you research the most reliable and accurate.22 pistols available today, notwithstanding Olympic and Free-pistols, they all are made of steel and possess a partial-type slide or bolt system (S&W (41, 422, 622, 2206, etc.), Ruger, Colt, Browning, High Standard, Advantage Arms, target grade 1911 conversion kits, etc.); aside from being lighter (easier to cycle with standard velocity loads), the added benefit is the fixed barrel: no barrel moving around and bushing to lube.
There is plenty of information available for both of these pistols: you may want to peruse the CZ forum for more (and possibly better) info on the Kadet.
On a side note, one ponders the logic in naming, marketing and associating items (i.e automobile, motorcycle, electric guitar, hairdryer, etc.): isn't the mosquito one of the most annoying things on the planet? Does anyone remember the AMC Gremlin?
Just my $0.02, hope it helps...
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This one is easy: one is a toy and the other is a real firearm...
Actually, I am slightly biased as I own a CZ75 and purchased the Kadet kit to help defray costs while practising IPSC type scenarios; however, I love .22s and I have indeed shot the Sig--it certainly looks cool... Here are a few of the Kadet's attributes:
1. The slide is all steel (durable) and the magazines (also steel) are the exact same size as the 9mm so the entire pistol weighs and points the same as its big brother
2. It is easy to field strip--just remove the slide stop: calibres change in seconds
3. You will reap the benefits of any grip and trigger work you have had done as only the slide changes: so that 2# hairtrigger with the clean, crisp break and short reset will of course work with both the 75 and the Kadet--no learning to reshoot another firearm
4. It fits into a CZ 75 holster; albeit a bit tight, but it will fit, and the mags fit in the 9mm mag pouches--so use your competition belt
5. Parts are readily available and sight dovetails on the CZ75 series and the Kadets are the same so you can easily add fibreoptics or combat sights if desired; however, the Kadet comes with adjustable LPA sight installed and can be set up for the same POA/POI as your main caliber.
6. While it is true that the entire slide does not move like the poster above mentioned, it is no problem to operate and has serrations for racking. This is not unusual as .22 pistols have inherent problems with design due to the lips on the cartridge base (which require a banana-like curve for reliable feeding from large capacity magazines--think 10/22 banana mags), and the small amount of recoil energy available to cycle the action resulting in the use of lighter(less durable) composite materials in many .22 auto pistols today (Walther, S&W (22A), Sig, Beretta, etc.). Of course, if you research the most reliable and accurate.22 pistols available today, notwithstanding Olympic and Free-pistols, they all are made of steel and possess a partial-type slide or bolt system (S&W (41, 422, 622, 2206, etc.), Ruger, Colt, Browning, High Standard, Advantage Arms, target grade 1911 conversion kits, etc.); aside from being lighter (easier to cycle with standard velocity loads), the added benefit is the fixed barrel: no barrel moving around and bushing to lube.
There is plenty of information available for both of these pistols: you may want to peruse the CZ forum for more (and possibly better) info on the Kadet.
On a side note, one ponders the logic in naming, marketing and associating items (i.e automobile, motorcycle, electric guitar, hairdryer, etc.): isn't the mosquito one of the most annoying things on the planet? Does anyone remember the AMC Gremlin?
Just my $0.02, hope it helps...
+1 !! nothing else to say
I have a Kadet and I love it !!
Have you considered buying a cZ75 and a Kadet Kit? This way you have a 9mm and a .22 pistol. Since getting my Kadet Kit, I seldom shoot my Ruger 22/45 anymore. It sort of expands upon the old saying, "If a man has only one gun, he probably knows how to use it."
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This one is easy: one is a toy and the other is a real firearm...
Actually, I am slightly biased as I own a CZ75 and purchased the Kadet kit to help defray costs while practising IPSC type scenarios; however, I love .22s and I have indeed shot the Sig--it certainly looks cool... Here are a few of the Kadet's attributes:
1. The slide is all steel (durable) and the magazines (also steel) are the exact same size as the 9mm so the entire pistol weighs and points the same as its big brother
2. It is easy to field strip--just remove the slide stop: calibres change in seconds
3. You will reap the benefits of any grip and trigger work you have had done as only the slide changes: so that 2# hairtrigger with the clean, crisp break and short reset will of course work with both the 75 and the Kadet--no learning to reshoot another firearm
4. It fits into a CZ 75 holster; albeit a bit tight, but it will fit, and the mags fit in the 9mm mag pouches--so use your competition belt
5. Parts are readily available and sight dovetails on the CZ75 series and the Kadets are the same so you can easily add fibreoptics or combat sights if desired; however, the Kadet comes with adjustable LPA sight installed and can be set up for the same POA/POI as your main caliber.
6. While it is true that the entire slide does not move like the poster above mentioned, it is no problem to operate and has serrations for racking. This is not unusual as .22 pistols have inherent problems with design due to the lips on the cartridge base (which require a banana-like curve for reliable feeding from large capacity magazines--think 10/22 banana mags), and the small amount of recoil energy available to cycle the action resulting in the use of lighter(less durable) composite materials in many .22 auto pistols today (Walther, S&W (22A), Sig, Beretta, etc.). Of course, if you research the most reliable and accurate.22 pistols available today, notwithstanding Olympic and Free-pistols, they all are made of steel and possess a partial-type slide or bolt system (S&W (41, 422, 622, 2206, etc.), Ruger, Colt, Browning, High Standard, Advantage Arms, target grade 1911 conversion kits, etc.); aside from being lighter (easier to cycle with standard velocity loads), the added benefit is the fixed barrel: no barrel moving around and bushing to lube.
There is plenty of information available for both of these pistols: you may want to peruse the CZ forum for more (and possibly better) info on the Kadet.
On a side note, one ponders the logic in naming, marketing and associating items (i.e automobile, motorcycle, electric guitar, hairdryer, etc.): isn't the mosquito one of the most annoying things on the planet? Does anyone remember the AMC Gremlin?
Just my $0.02, hope it helps...
I too am slightly biased as I have a CZ75B and Kadet kit. Everything MacDeth said, X2. You'll never regret it.
You could probably very easily keep the Kadet slide and magazines and sell the receiver on the EE for nearly the price of a good used CZ 75B in 9mm. I'm sure that there are many out there who would love to have a spare receiver without the lifter/sear combo for plunking their Kadet kit slides onto and taking their friends/spouses shooting...
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i have a kadet and i've shot a sig. the cz is much heavier, better trigger, better to operate in my opinion. mags are better. eats all kinds of ammo (sig likes mini mags)
on the other hand the cz does stovepipe
now here's a question. could i put a 9mm cz75 slide on my kadet? where would i get one other than a used one
on the other hand the cz does stovepipe
now here's a question. could i put a 9mm cz75 slide on my kadet? where would i get one other than a used one
1. Yes you can put a 9mm slide on a Kadet receiver providing you either remove the firing pin block on the 9mm slide or change the sear and add a firing pin block lifter on the receiver.
2. CZ doesn't sell 9mm slide separately, so you are out of luck unless you can find one used... Kinda sucks, doesn't it?
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I've got a Sig Mosquito, one of the newer serialized (a06---) and I've had nothing but a good time with it so far. I've run about 1500 rounds through it so far: 600 CCI mini-mag without a single failure, about 800 rounds of Federal bulk ammo from Walmart (which it surprisingly enough likes well enough) and some Winchester Super-X. Stay away from the Super-X, I was getting about a failure every mag. The Federal stuff shoots surprisingly well, but is a lot dirtier than CCI. I can usually put about 180-200 Federal without a failure then I'll start getting the odd FTFeed. Still worth it at the price, half of CCI. But then the Mini-mag is really cheap compared to 9mm anyways (about 1/5 the price) so it's still fine to shoot. The gun has to be kept pretty clean for it work perfectly.
I own a CZ-SP-01 Shadow which I love, so a cadet kit would have been a good way to go, if the entire slide racked back. I don't like the idea of having to manipulate the little slide with thumb and finger, whereas I can practice relevant drills with the Mosquito (which feels like a toy, I'll admit, but is still the size of any compact pistol.
I had read nothing but bad reviews about the Mosquito before buying it, but I took a risk and I've been really happy with the decision. One must make sure one of the later serial numbers (I think it's A05 and later), as apparently the earlier ones had problems, admitted by Sig.
I own a CZ-SP-01 Shadow which I love, so a cadet kit would have been a good way to go, if the entire slide racked back. I don't like the idea of having to manipulate the little slide with thumb and finger, whereas I can practice relevant drills with the Mosquito (which feels like a toy, I'll admit, but is still the size of any compact pistol.
I had read nothing but bad reviews about the Mosquito before buying it, but I took a risk and I've been really happy with the decision. One must make sure one of the later serial numbers (I think it's A05 and later), as apparently the earlier ones had problems, admitted by Sig.
Just curious, what do you use to rack your Mosquito's slide?
Glad the Mosquito is working well for you, so many who eschew the good advice and experience of others are not as fortunate
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Well, with the mosquito you can run the palm of your support hand over the slide, thumb facing you to rack it back.
But you know what I mean. That slide on the Kadet is really really low profile, tiny to grab onto. And I'm a CZ guy, I'd rather shoot my .22lr in a full size pistol, especially a full-size amalgame of my 9mm, but I like having the full slide, and it has to lock back on the last round (not like the aluminium slide full-size pistols out there, like tanfoglio force 22).
But you know what I mean. That slide on the Kadet is really really low profile, tiny to grab onto. And I'm a CZ guy, I'd rather shoot my .22lr in a full size pistol, especially a full-size amalgame of my 9mm, but I like having the full slide, and it has to lock back on the last round (not like the aluminium slide full-size pistols out there, like tanfoglio force 22).
For a little more than the Sig and a lot less than the Kadet consider the Tanfoglio Force 22 from Freedom Ventures.
I'm totally ecstatic over my own Force 22. Yeah it's a lot lighter than the Kadet but about the same as the Sig. But the light weight provides a little more movement from the lowly .22 to better simulate and practice for the center fire handguns. And the grip feel and angle is close enough to my Shadow that I can go from one to the other and when I lift the gun to present it to the target the two are very consistent. Easily as consistent as I can be.
I'm totally ecstatic over my own Force 22. Yeah it's a lot lighter than the Kadet but about the same as the Sig. But the light weight provides a little more movement from the lowly .22 to better simulate and practice for the center fire handguns. And the grip feel and angle is close enough to my Shadow that I can go from one to the other and when I lift the gun to present it to the target the two are very consistent. Easily as consistent as I can be.
Just giving you a hard time.
I generally rack my pistols, as well as my Kadet (with the exception of my Ruger ), the way you describe and not like a sling-shot. I haven't had any issues or difficulty racking at all, but perhaps that is due to the very light recoil spring in the .22 slide--might be a different story if it were a .45 or .50AE . As well, I don't really have a need to speed-rack a .22 in any sort of practical shooting situation, although I do use my Kadet for IPSC-type practise (drawing and trigger control) with my rig, but time is not of the essence there; however, I could see the small slide being a bit of a PIB if one had a lot of jams to clear. Happy shooting!
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Yeah, it's all good MacDeth. If you can rack your CZ overhand, that's great. I've never shot the Kadet so I don't know. I'd only assumed it must be harder.
CZs are great. I just like my Mosquito so much, and I've read so much about how crappy they are, I'm on a mission to tell people
BCRider: I was looking the Tan Force 22, but like I said, the slide doesn't have a slide-stop from what I was told at the store when I was checking them, due to the fact it's aluminium and would wear out against a steel slide-stop. Otherwise, I would have thought it would have been perfect. Why they couldn't just integrate some steel into a part of the slide to permit this function is beyond me, but it's a function I need in a semi-auto pistol.
CZs are great. I just like my Mosquito so much, and I've read so much about how crappy they are, I'm on a mission to tell people
BCRider: I was looking the Tan Force 22, but like I said, the slide doesn't have a slide-stop from what I was told at the store when I was checking them, due to the fact it's aluminium and would wear out against a steel slide-stop. Otherwise, I would have thought it would have been perfect. Why they couldn't just integrate some steel into a part of the slide to permit this function is beyond me, but it's a function I need in a semi-auto pistol.
