Sig or H&K???

UncleWalther said:
They are both good guns. I wouldn't be afraid of either one. Even if the HK does not last as long as Sig, I doubt you would shoot either one to the end of their life expectancy.
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I have a feeling that by this time next year I will have over 20,000rds thru it. I actually am not sure what the life expectancy of the HK is. If I start shooting reloads, it should be a little less wear on it...
 
maurice said:
Just curious as to what type of failures you had with the HK, I had a firing pin go on me. Also, how about FTF/ FTE with the SIG vs HK.
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I replaced the sear springs several times on all the guns. Trigger bars on a couple. Extractor once. Slides are the big issue as they seem to crack pretty frequently on the range guns. I had the rails shear off the frame of the 45 caliber gun.

FWIW Wild West has had similar complaints with HK slides.
 
it sounds like the sear spring may need replacing more than anything, I can't for the life of me figure out how the frame would crack,,, other than that, I heard the barrel may outlast the gun?
Thanks for your replies redleg, it will help me order parts that I may run into problems with. the sear springs are cheap to replace, but a bit of a PITA I would imagine?
 
maurice said:
it sounds like the sear spring may need replacing more than anything, I can't for the life of me figure out how the frame would crack,,, other than that, I heard the barrel may outlast the gun?
Thanks for your replies redleg, it will help me order parts that I may run into problems with. the sear springs are cheap to replace, but a bit of a PITA I would imagine?
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They are cheap but sometimes hard to source. R Nichols actually had some when no one in the US did!!
 
I own a SigSauer P226 - 9mm Luger and an HK USP Tactical - .45 Auto, and I must say.......the Heckler & Koch is a dream come true.

The only thing I dont like about the HK USP is the grip (To narrow) so I easily solved that problem by putting on a Houge rubber grip with finger grooves (Houge sleeve grip). Now it fits like a glove

I have found both pistols very reliable/accurate and fun to shoot, but I favoure the adjustable rear sights on the USP (Tactical) as I can place all 10 shots benchrest directly in centre-mass of my target (Human silhouette) at 50 yards.

Also I love .45 Auto.........its my favourite calibre.
 
Beretta, you think the USP grip is too narrow?!! I guess you have bigger hands than I do since it feels like I'm holding onto a 2 by 4. That's a pity too since I always wanted a .45 tactical but couldn't justify it since it doesn't fit my hand.
 
I am not even sure how much a new slide would cost. I believe there is a listing for a complete slide as well. Has anyone purchased a stainless usp slide before?
 
My never ending research finds some negative on Sigs, and almost none on HKs. Quality and accuracy seems to be about the same. I bought a Sig226R and broke a pin just dry firing it. It got sent back to FN, the CDN distributor who has had it for 4 months, so I have lost confidence in that beautiful gun, and am going to get the HK USP45. All the hours of reading forums and reviews point to the HK, even though I like the Sig very much. Also Kimbers have a lot of problems, so its HK.
 
avsecb2 said:
My never ending research finds some negative on Sigs, and almost none on HKs. Quality and accuracy seems to be about the same. I bought a Sig226R and broke a pin just dry firing it. It got sent back to FN, the CDN distributor who has had it for 4 months, so I have lost confidence in that beautiful gun, and am going to get the HK USP45. All the hours of reading forums and reviews point to the HK, even though I like the Sig very much. Also Kimbers have a lot of problems, so its HK.
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You'll not be disappointed with an HK USP. It is an incredibly reliable gun. You've made a good and well-informed purchasing choice in my opinion.
 
avsecb2 said:
My never ending research finds some negative on Sigs, and almost none on HKs. Quality and accuracy seems to be about the same. I bought a Sig226R and broke a pin just dry firing it. It got sent back to FN, the CDN distributor who has had it for 4 months, so I have lost confidence in that beautiful gun, and am going to get the HK USP45. All the hours of reading forums and reviews point to the HK, even though I like the Sig very much. Also Kimbers have a lot of problems, so its HK.
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I think you need to do a little more research, and maybe stay away from the HK sites when you do it. Talk to Wild West Shooting Center about HK slide durability, they will tell you the same thing I will, they don't last very long and fail bad.

By the way if you do have an HK part fail guess who will be repairing it? Why FN Sports of course, so be prepared for another long wait.

We have imported Kimbers for 5 years now. We have had very few problems with the guns, and none of the commonly reported "internet" problems. For example, I run external extractor guns on the range and they have never had a problem extracting.

Anyway I am sure that regardless which gun that you buy you will be happy, and have fun shooting. Just don't believe everything you see on the internet.
 
redleg said:
I think you need to do a little more research, and maybe stay away from the HK sites when you do it. Talk to Wild West Shooting Center about HK slide durability, they will tell you the same thing I will, they don't last very long and fail bad.
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Other than from you, I have never ever heard of a USP slide failure. The gun has been tested and adopted by a all sorts of military and police units. You'd figure that if the slide problems were that prevalent, it would be a widely known issue.

I posed this question to Bruce Gray, who is a well respected gunsmith and a former member of the HK IPSC team (he now shoots for SIG). He said that of the six guns they used over the course of several years, not a single one experienced any slide, frame or barrel failures.
 
redleg said:
We have imported Kimbers for 5 years now. We have had very few problems with the guns, and none of the commonly reported "internet" problems. For example, I run external extractor guns on the range and they have never had a problem extracting.
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I don't mean to start a flame war, but if you go on the 1911 board you'd hear all sorts of complains about Kimber reliability and quality control.
 
avsecb2 said:
My never ending research finds some negative on Sigs, and almost none on HKs. Quality and accuracy seems to be about the same. I bought a Sig226R and broke a pin just dry firing it. It got sent back to FN, the CDN distributor who has had it for 4 months, so I have lost confidence in that beautiful gun, and am going to get the HK USP45. All the hours of reading forums and reviews point to the HK, even though I like the Sig very much. Also Kimbers have a lot of problems, so its HK.
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to be fair, if you dry fire USPs, the firing pins may snap too, best use some snap caps.... there have been a few posts about broken fireing pins from dry firing (or they thought it was from dry firing) on HKPRO.com

i own a SS USP, and love it to bits
 
capp325 said:
Other than from you, I have never ever heard of a USP slide failure. The gun has been tested and adopted by a all sorts of military and police units. You'd figure that if the slide problems were that prevalent, it would be a widely known issue.

I posed this question to Bruce Gray, who is a well respected gunsmith and a former member of the HK IPSC team (he now shoots for SIG). He said that of the six guns they used over the course of several years, not a single one experienced any slide, frame or barrel failures.
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I offered you one other source, he posts here as kanada kid. I have a collection of broken ones here if you want a souvenir. Maybe I can sell them for big $$$ since they are so rare;)
 
capp325 said:
I don't mean to start a flame war, but if you go on the 1911 board you'd hear all sorts of complains about Kimber reliability and quality control.
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Yes and that is exactly my point. I see all the complaints too, but I have never had to deal with any number of real complaints from disatisfied customers or had problems with my range guns. So I take alot of what is said on the internet with a grain of salt. If you want to disregard my postings feel free to do so, you don't know me and I don't know you. I don't expect to have the weight of dozens of other postings, but I do think that some folks start posting things that they think others want to hear. This is how the internet myths get started. I still can't convince people that SIG slides outlast Glock slides because everyone on the internet has fired 100,000s of rounds through their Glocks and they have never failed. Yet the fact remains that every single range Glock here has had either a slide of frame failure long before any of the SIGs.
I may be partial to Kimber because I import them, but I have no allegience to either SIG, Glock, or HK as they all have exclusive Canadian distributors other than me.
 
Redleg, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to pick a fight or accusing you of making stuff up. I am merely pointing out that your experience is in this particular case appears to be different from the experience of many other people.

I agree that most things posted on the Internet should be taken with a grain of salt. It is possible for an overall decent quality product to be slandered by a few unsatisfied users. However, the opposite is rare. How often do you see people raving about their Jennings, Kel-tec, Lorcin, etc?
 
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