SIG owners I need your help I may have a cracked/chipped slide!!!

redleg said:
The older model slides were made from seperate pieces welded into the slide body. They were not machined out of a billet.
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I know the norm is machined is better but most times manufacturing practices get "cheaper" over time. Which do you feel is better?:confused:
 
MPI said:
I know the norm is machined is better but most times manufacturing practices get "cheaper" over time. Which do you feel is better?:confused:
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The jury is still out as to which is stronger or lasts longer. The finish on the new slides is incredibly hard and lasts a long time. The finish on the old slides was incredibly weak and was gone in months. I like the looks and balance of the older model guns.
 
redleg said:
The jury is still out as to which is stronger or lasts longer. The finish on the new slides is incredibly hard and lasts a long time. The finish on the old slides was incredibly weak and was gone in months. I like the looks and balance of the older model guns.
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Yes I have an older P229 and finish is as durable as charcoal dust.:( :mad:
 
redleg said:
The jury is still out as to which is stronger or lasts longer. The finish on the new slides is incredibly hard and lasts a long time. The finish on the old slides was incredibly weak and was gone in months. I like the looks and balance of the older model guns.
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I personally find the P226s with the stainless slide to be too top heavy, my advice to anyone thinking of buying one is to buy a model with a stainless steel frame as well. They last longer anyway, and they balance better in the hand.

I much prefer the old sheet steel slide, they do still make them in Germany but they're not imported into N America anymore. And they're only available in 9mm.

My solution with the finish was to have the slide hard chromed, or NP3ed if you're lucky enough to live in the US. Robar also do another finish called Roguard which is an awesome finish, it's flat black and very tough. It wears off inside the slide because of the movement of the barrel, but so do all finishes (although NP3 takes a longer time to go than most of the others).

My experience with the .40S&W and .357SIG P226s (the standard models, not the fancy sport models) is that the P229 is a better alternative, same mag. capacity, more comfortable grip, although its slightly wider to make up the mass in the slide. Also slightly more accurate in my experience. Not an option though in Canada. :(
 
KiwiMatt said:
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mine looks the exact same.
 
9mikemike said:
Well now when I get my new 226 I won't be suprised to see that. As for my W German sigs they don't have it, as esplained above. Wonder if the 220 has it as well. Guess that I can wait and see.
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P220s come in old style and new style slides too.
 
action jackson said:
I have seen both the West German made Sig P220 & P226 slides and they both have been uniformly machined .Old school quality?
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If they are west german they are not machined slides. They are folded steel with an end piece welded into position.
 
I too have the cut out on my new 226R. However it is nicely machined to match the contour of the barrel.
 
when I first clicked on this thread I checked my P226 ST and found no cracked/chipped slide.

However, the other night after taking to the range, while cleaning it I now have the chipped slide similar to the pictures of other slides posted here.

It didn't come chipped out of the factory, but now it is.

After reading all the replies I guess I should not be worried.

Feel free to chime in.
 
I just saw the excellent pictures and think , that the
factory just ignored the clean removal of the unecessary "left-over"
from CNC machining. It is ugly, and does not fit the image of a high
quality and overly high prized gun. I never saw that on the German
or Norinco made guns ! What does SigArms in Exeter (USA) say ???

redleg said:
If they are west german they are not machined slides. They are folded steel with an end piece welded into position.
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That is correct. The breech block is a separate unit, nicely fitted
in the rear and only held with one dowel pin. Not good enough !
Mine broke twice. No, no "overloads" !

redleg said:
If they are west german they are not machined slides. They are folded steel with an end piece welded into position.
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Yes, the "naked" slide is but one stamping on powerful punch-presses
out of high quality sheet-steel plates , cut out in such a manner, that
by one "blow" from above the entire slide is formed, including the radius
on the rear, (a la PPsh 41 Russian sub-gun upper receiver)
The breechblock is a quality casting (would you believe it !) then quickly
CNC machined and simply inserted into the slide which has a approx.10 mm
groove lengthwise and a short one at right angles to support the breechblock
on top, and a small hook-up in the back. Entire unit is
held together on the slide with one dowel pin.
Should that dowel pin brake (it did on me) then the breechblock will drop
in the front and the gun will not feed and shoot anymore.
 
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Globetrotter said:
Yes, the "naked" slide is but one stamping on powerful punch-presses
out of high quality sheet-steel plates , cut out in such a manner, that
by one "blow" from above the entire slide is formed, including the radius
on the rear, (a la PPsh 41 Russian sub-gun upper receiver)
The breechblock is a quality casting (would you believe it !) then quickly
CNC machined and simply inserted into the slide which has a approx.10 mm
groove lengthwise and a short one at right angles to support the breechblock
on top, and a small hook-up in the back. Entire unit is
held together on the slide with one dowel pin.
Should that dowel pin brake (it did on me) then the breechblock will drop
in the front and the gun will not feed and shoot anymore.
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The roll pins are supposed to be replaced periodically. We replace ours about once every 10,000rds. Or when they break. I have seen them broken into several pieces, but never had the breech block fall out. Once again, you seem to have a real bad bit of bad luck.
 
redleg said:
The roll pins are supposed to be replaced periodically. We replace ours about once every 10,000rds. Or when they break. I have seen them broken into several pieces, but never had the breech block fall out. Once again, you seem to have a real bad bit of bad luck.
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The breechblock did not really fall out , it just dropped down in the front.

About bad luck, you are quite right. So were the 14 other SIG SAUERS
that were sent back to Germany from one of the Police forces in Vancouver.
That was years ago. Cause was unknown to my source.
 
I personally have more than 60k rounds thru P226's and am a Sig Armourer (want me to scan my certification?)

James and JR see likely the Sig rounds than anywhere else in Canada (outside CANSOFCOM) additionally they both are Sig Armourers.


This P226R has more than 7k from it (I got it new last year)

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The "he said, she said" in this thread by the ignorant or uniformed is annoying.
 
Globetrotter said:
The breechblock did not really fall out , it just dropped down in the front.

About bad luck, you are quite right. So were the 14 other SIG SAUERS
that were sent back to Germany from one of the Police forces in Vancouver.
That was years ago. Cause was unknown to my source.
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Sorry you will need to provide a little more info here if that claim is to be believable. What type of gun, what department, what conditions, what problems. The P226 platform is well regarded internationally, and well proven. Given that many BC departments adopted the Beretta in preference, I truely doubt that it was based on SIG failures but rather on salesmanship.
 
Fair enough!
When my SIG 226 was sent back to Germany via the Gun-shop in Vancouver,
where I bought it from (Italian business name, long defunct) and I inquired why it took so long, the answer was that they were waiting to send more
SIG Sauers to Germany in ONE shipment. He mentioned the # 14 and came from the Emergency Response team there but , but no detailed causes
were given to him. What was wrong he did not know.
That is all I know. If you have a good source of detailed and better information in Vancouver, I would be very pleased.
Also, please, that nobody misunderstands me, I love my SIG, it served me very well for many thousands of rounds, until my troubles started.
Sauer in Germany wrote me, that the cause of rail-splitting was caused by
American habbits of overloading. That was untrue.
I will buy now another SIG 226, also from Norinco, and both myself and wife
intent to shoot it until it falls apart, and than shall inform everyone about it too. I also shoot a lot with my 1911 and with the Colt Delta Elite in 10mm.
I just loaded another 5000 9mm on my Star-Press. Wish me more luck this time. I am grateful for any input of yours, negative or positive!
 
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