charlesquik
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Quebec....
Must cop don't even know you can have gun like tavor in the bush. They will arrest you even if you tell them anything.
Sig P226 9mm magazines
- Thread starter wilrob
- Start date
but I still task you to put 13 rounds in your mag and fire them all off in front of po-po ... assuming said po-po can count higher than 10, it may be interesting... might not.... 
strider007
CGN frequent flyer
..... I dare you to invite your local po-po to the range and perform this extraordinary trick in front of his very eyes!!
Dare me? WTF? Most of the members that I shoot with at my local range are LE!!! They've never arrested me. What are you aso afraid of? It's been clearly outlined by authority that it is pefercetly legit...
I almost exclusively use .40 cal mags with 9mm in my P226 & 92FS. I load 13 rounds and it works perfectly. I do this at my range since they allow for the legal limit capacity. I do this along side all the LEO's that shoot at my club. Only once did one of them ask me a question. The question was whether I know if it works with his Glock? His Glock is a .40 cal and I am not sure if there is a larger caliber magazine that fits his gun to try it with. Otherwise, he thought it was cool.
strider007
CGN frequent flyer
^This...Thank you, AWOL.
.....kewl, thanks for the info 8)
ok, no need for nasties! Let me buy ya a Blue Star (newfoundland beer, in case ya don't know). 8)
strider007
CGN frequent flyer
Any time, brother...no nasties intended...
Not any more. Out of stock of the blued. Nickle seems to still be in stock.
alfonzo1955
Regular
- Location
- Ottawa, ON
Anywhere that stocks the .40 mags?
Bob Loblaw
Member
- Location
- Ottawa, ON
LEO isn't the determination, especially at a range... They're there to uphold what they know, and there's clearly room for interpretation.
What I'd like is for someone who's confident this is legal to just call and get a ruling from the CFO.
Until there's something from them saying you can use other means that break the 10 rd capacity rule - the 10 rd capacity for handgun rule would apply. I'm pretty sure they'd view it the same way.
I'd be happy as a pig in sh*t if someone could prove that one. Not just their loophole interpretation.
What I'd like is for someone who's confident this is legal to just call and get a ruling from the CFO.
Until there's something from them saying you can use other means that break the 10 rd capacity rule - the 10 rd capacity for handgun rule would apply. I'm pretty sure they'd view it the same way.
I'd be happy as a pig in sh*t if someone could prove that one. Not just their loophole interpretation.
From the RCMP website page: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.
Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.
Bob Loblaw
Member
- Location
- Ottawa, ON
Was just about to paste that, was a quick google once I was off by blackberry.
Case closed - it's legit and legal.
Case closed - it's legit and legal.
now you can be happy like a pig, I have to find the original scans, they were uploaded somewhere on CGN, go read #4 and #5
From the CFC:
Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity
Background
The maximum capacity of a cartridge magazine is set out in Part 4 of the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted. The Regulations prescribe “prohibited devices”, and a magazine that has a capacity which exceeds the maximum permitted capacity is a prohibited device. Businesses can be in possession of prohibited devices if appropriately licensed. However, individuals may not possess prohibited devices.
The magazine regulations have been in force since 1993. However, in recent years, new cartridge magazines have been introduced which have resulted in novel situations as it concerns the application of the Regulations. There has been no change to the Regulations. Nonetheless, the application of the existing Regulations to a few new products has given the appearance of a change in the law. This has been particularly evident in the case of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for more than one type of firearm.
Purpose
The purpose of this bulletin is to provide greater clarity on the maximum permitted capacity of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for use in more than one kind of firearm. Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm.
Current Issues
1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:
• the 10 round magazine is unregulated
• the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device
2. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the limit of five cartridges.
Example:
Hi-Point rifle and handgun chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
• magazine capacities over five rounds are prohibited.
3. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle other than a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, do not have a regulated capacity. Magazines that are designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles are subject to the semiautomatic rifle limit of five cartridges.
Example:
Remington model 7615 pump action rifle chambered for 223 Remington caliber:
• the 10 round magazine is prohibited
• the five round magazine is unregulated
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.
5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.
Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.
For more information, please contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program
From the CFC:
Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity
Background
The maximum capacity of a cartridge magazine is set out in Part 4 of the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted. The Regulations prescribe “prohibited devices”, and a magazine that has a capacity which exceeds the maximum permitted capacity is a prohibited device. Businesses can be in possession of prohibited devices if appropriately licensed. However, individuals may not possess prohibited devices.
The magazine regulations have been in force since 1993. However, in recent years, new cartridge magazines have been introduced which have resulted in novel situations as it concerns the application of the Regulations. There has been no change to the Regulations. Nonetheless, the application of the existing Regulations to a few new products has given the appearance of a change in the law. This has been particularly evident in the case of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for more than one type of firearm.
Purpose
The purpose of this bulletin is to provide greater clarity on the maximum permitted capacity of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for use in more than one kind of firearm. Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm.
Current Issues
1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:
• the 10 round magazine is unregulated
• the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device
2. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the limit of five cartridges.
Example:
Hi-Point rifle and handgun chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
• magazine capacities over five rounds are prohibited.
3. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle other than a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, do not have a regulated capacity. Magazines that are designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles are subject to the semiautomatic rifle limit of five cartridges.
Example:
Remington model 7615 pump action rifle chambered for 223 Remington caliber:
• the 10 round magazine is prohibited
• the five round magazine is unregulated
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.
5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.
Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.
For more information, please contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program
So, for you guys using the .40 SW Sig P226 mags with 9mm, you don't find that a moderate rap on the mag body will dump the rounds? I had a P229 for a while and while the 9mm would work in the 40 SW mags, the setup wasn't exactly reliable. There was no way it'd be willing to use it in competition, was too unstable for anything less than plinking.
