Sig p226 vs Norc NP22 Clone (9mm)

misanthropist said:
I paid under six for my West German Sig. So you are going to save a hundred bucks to own a chinese knockoff, rather than one of the best combat pistols ever built to some of the most stringent QC requirements ever.

Keep an eye on the EE...I see them go cheap there all the time. Even if the Norinco is passable, it is definitely no Sig, and there is no need to buy a Sig new. That will only get you a US built Sig which are not the really good ones anyway.

Where are you getting cheap Sig mags? I gave my Sig away but the current owner could always use more.
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Understood, but this is not an apples-to-apples comparison. I don't want a used Sig. I never sell my guns because I figure there has to be a good reason for someone to sell for such a limited gain. That means I won't buy a used gun for fear of buying someone else's problem - why would someone sell such a great gun? And even if there reasons appear legit, I have no way of really knowing that's true.

For me it's new to new and I'm never going to find a new Sig that isn't almost 300% the price of a new Norc.

Sorry, will have to plead the 5th on my source.
 
rivalen: the norc mags I have are 10/15 but not pinned. they have a restrictor attached to the mag spring

xopher: you can do a trigger job by polishing the internals of the norc, however the single action trigger is pretty good out of the box (or was on mine anyway)
 
maetsack said:
Understood, but this is not an apples-to-apples comparison. I don't want a used Sig. I never sell my guns because I figure there has to be a good reason for someone to sell for such a limited gain. That means I won't buy a used gun for fear of buying someone else's problem - why would someone sell such a great gun? And even if there reasons appear legit, I have no way of really knowing that's true.

For me it's new to new and I'm never going to find a new Sig that isn't almost 300% the price of a new Norc.

Sorry, will have to plead the 5th on my source.
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Suit yourself. If you think you are more likely to end up with a better gun by buying a new Norinco than a used German Sig...there is not much else I can say that will help.
 
Rivalen said:
You can buy MecGar SIG P226 mags 10 rounders @ Marstar for 35$ a piece + shipping.

http://www.marstar.ca/ga-mags/mec-gar.shtm

Those mags are the same as factory mags. In fact, new gun (at least the one I got in 2007) shipped with mecgar mags. They're excellent quality and 100% reliable.

Now, if you're looking for 15/10 pinned mags, be prepared to pay 50-70$ a piece...
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Damn, that 5$ cheaper than the norinco np22 mags.

Can these work in the norc np22 or is it just for SIGs?
 
I tinkered on my NP 22's heavy DA trigger pull by replacing the stock mainspring with a CZ SPO1 spring which I cut by 6 coils less. Got the tip from fellow norc owners.

Dang, it worked! DA pull is lighter now!
 
Heh, I was wondering where the haters be at. They have arrived.

(1) Is the Nork a SIG?
No, it is made in China. If you can live with that continue.
(2) Will it do everything A real SIG does?
Yeah, it will go bang and put the bullet approximately where you want it. The rest will depend on you.
(3) Are the parts compatible?
So far, the answer is sorta. The grip screws are a different thread and the sight dovetails are larger then the SIG's. So factory SIG sights are not going to fit without some creative thought. Everything else seems to work well. The only issues I've faced seems to be the E2'ed grips need a little bit of fiddling to get them on. They need the new torsion style spring and you have to shave a little bit of material off the right grip above the top screw. The frame is cut slightly different on new SIG's. Everything else has gone in with no issues what so ever.
(4) But the nork triggers are HORRIBLE!
Actually, I've sold about 10 of them and the triggers have been largely good with some really heavy ones thrown in the mix. Nothing a spring change and maybe a polish wouldn't fix. To be honest I have tried some nork triggers that were crisper in single action then any real SIG P226 or P229 I've shot.
(5) It's Chinese, is it going to rattle loose in my hands or explode like some sort of Chinese conspiracy!?
While they haven't been tested in a scientific way as far as I know, I feel they will hold up similarly to a real SIG Sauer.
 
Can the tight norc trigger be modified so its alot easier to shoot?

Yes, it is called a trigger job. Well worth the investment, if needed.

many pistols, of all makes, benefit from a trigger job.
 
I've had the older Norinco NP-22 and NP-34. Both guns were excellent and price fantastic. I've shot Sigs and can't tell the difference. If you could find a used Sig for a good price (under $600) than that might be a good way to go just to retain the Sig name. I also prefer Taurus PT series "improvements" over Beretta's so to each their own. I'd say buy the newer Norinco, change grips and get a trigger job (never seen a Norc with a decent double action). Best new starter 9mm or .40 (NP-58) there is in my opinion price wise.
 
luke s said:
Buy what you can afford, get good at shooting. Embarrass people who spent 4x as much.
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I don't get these comments.
What exactly do you mean? Should somebody be embarrassed? The extra cost of the Sig goes into R&D, liability insurance, paying people a legitimate wage, local taxes, etc. It costs money to come up with your own design. It costs a lot less to just rip that design off. Not passing judgment, just stating facts.
If you designed a gun with a whole research team and Norinco ripped your design off, they could undercut you quite hard. Especially with impoverished people working the assembly line for little to no pay.

Why feel embarrassed about buying an actual Sig? It costs more money to buy a comparable product that was made on this continent.

I've shot a clone and it seems like a pretty decent gun compared to my Sigs. The magazines are horribly sharp on the feed lips though. But the gun itself functioned quite smoothly, the trigger was ok (not up to par with a Sig but that's part of what makes a Sig a Sig) and I'm pleasantly surprised to hear the slide is forged.
Overall the gun is quite pleasant with the hogue grips. Dead reliable, positive extraction, a bit lighter feeling but nothing drastic.

It's a good gun, OP, and quite a decent price. If that's what you want, get it by all means. But if you knock a North American made gun for costing more money than a Chinese made one and see it as a rip-off, I'm going to laugh if your job gets moved overseas to save on money.
 
no no you misunderstand.... thare are many people who are elitists and despise norinco and they say it is complete crap.

im just saying that the np-22 is not a bad pistol. its not as refined or as pretty as a real sig, but it goes bang every time and is decently accurate

I plan to buy a real sig at some point, but until I can afford it, the np-22 will do

and in the end, yes it feels good to out-shoot and embarrass the elitist snobs with my crappy china made gun

mr00jimbo said:
I don't get these comments.
What exactly do you mean? Should somebody be embarrassed? The extra cost of the Sig goes into R&D, liability insurance, paying people a legitimate wage, local taxes, etc. It costs money to come up with your own design. It costs a lot less to just rip that design off. Not passing judgment, just stating facts.
If you designed a gun with a whole research team and Norinco ripped your design off, they could undercut you quite hard. Especially with impoverished people working the assembly line for little to no pay.

Why feel embarrassed about buying an actual Sig? It costs more money to buy a comparable product that was made on this continent.

I've shot a clone and it seems like a pretty decent gun compared to my Sigs. The magazines are horribly sharp on the feed lips though. But the gun itself functioned quite smoothly, the trigger was ok (not up to par with a Sig but that's part of what makes a Sig a Sig) and I'm pleasantly surprised to hear the slide is forged.
Overall the gun is quite pleasant with the hogue grips. Dead reliable, positive extraction, a bit lighter feeling but nothing drastic.

It's a good gun, OP, and quite a decent price. If that's what you want, get it by all means. But if you knock a North American made gun for costing more money than a Chinese made one and see it as a rip-off, I'm going to laugh if your job gets moved overseas to save on money.
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Who cares what other people think about what you're shooting with, at the end of the day it's you that owns it and have fun with it. If you can afford a Sig, buy one and be happy with it. If not, buy the Norc and be happy with it too.

Don't live for other people's expectations.
 
some people care and they like to rub it in, personally I dont care, but its nice to shut up the elitists
I like the norcs, I will like my sig when it comes
 
like fiber optic :) ? carefully drill (with a drill press) a small hole through the front sight and 2 through the rear. Buy green and red fiber optic inserts and voila.

you can also remove the existing dots and fill with bright reflective paint
 
Two things would-be buyers of Norinco products need to bear in mind is the ethics of supporting such a firm, and the possibility of future problems with parts availability. First of all, Norinco is a Chinese Government-owned firm, that supplies the armed forces of the PRC--a country with a ghastly human rights record that is hardly a friend of ours (espionage, etc), not to mention supplying weapons to Sudan, Syria, etc. Secondly, don't discount a U.S.-style embargo against Norinco, in the future. This would have major implications for servicing your firearms, since Sig, CZ, or other parts are not necessarily compatible with their Norinco clones. That $500 price difference may not seem like such a bargain, when a cracked frame, or broken extractor turns your Norinco into a doorstop. Just me, but I'd suggest either ponying up for a real Sig, buying something like a (made in Canada) Dlask clone, or a functional equivalent to a P226, 228, etc. (e.g., an FN).
 
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