Forest1488
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I really like Sig's but for some reason can't shoot them nearly as well as a CZ. Might be hand size but in the end CZ gets the nod.
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Sig Sauer 226... Cz 75 shadow?
- Thread starter Blackwolf204
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made in Germany and hand fitted just as all of the other Master Shop guns; and the test target too!
Same gun as the X-5 All Around short[/url]
This is not true. Not all X5s are Mastershop guns nor is an X5 All Around Short an X5 variation. The X5 listed is an X5 steel frame with a seemingly standard 226 top end. Don't get me wrong, it's probably a quality piece as most SIGs are and a good option at that price, but it's not Mastershop quality.
To the OP, I just got a CZ75 as part of a trade and love it. Reminds me of the BHP but with a superior trigger. Very comfortable shooter. I'm not overly accurate with it, but I've only shot 250 rds so far, therefore I'm the problem, not the gun.
CZ shots better but sensitive to the bad quality ammo.
I would think the CZ parts are easily available, than for a SIG. Few years ago I paid almost $40 for Sig226 extractor for $4 part. It was impossible to get it in Canada. Not sure todays sitiation
I would think the CZ parts are easily available, than for a SIG. Few years ago I paid almost $40 for Sig226 extractor for $4 part. It was impossible to get it in Canada. Not sure todays sitiation
Not all X5s are Mastershop guns nor is an X5 All Around Short an X5 variation. The X5 listed is an X5 steel frame with a seemingly standard 226 top end. Don't get me wrong, it's probably a quality piece as most SIGs are and a good option at that price, but it's not Mastershop quality.
I know this is going to start a pissing match here but the short variations are indeed x-5 guns, they use standard 112mm 226 top ends with the external extractor on the x-5 stainless frame with a shortened dust cover. The standard length x-5 uses a special slide with a 127mm bull barrel with the internal extractor which seems to be the only real complaint on these guns.
http://www.sigsauer.de/englisch/mastershop/x-serie.html#
I believe this short X-Five variant is very similar to the X-Five "Norway". Like the Norway, it has the X-Five frame with the regular 226 dust cover. I believe your variant is fairly rare, since it is no longer in production and, according to another forum, was produced in limited numbers. Google P226 Norway for more info. These were produced as service pistols, so I don't know if they went through the master shop or not. My test target (three shots at 15 m) showed a one inch group; don't know if that's X-Five accuracy.
Below is from another sig forum...
"Here are the pertinent features of the X-5 Norway...From the foreman of the Grayguns shop
You have to look at what you are getting with these guns. They (especially the Norwegian) are an X-5 only in that they use an X-5 frame. They do not have any of the other features of the regular X-5 pistols that make them better than the standard Sig lineup, perhaps most importantly they don't have the heavy match fitted barrel.
Anything extra you would pay for one of these over a P226 stainless Elite or similar is only getting you a slightly higher undercut under the trigger guard on the frame. You might get a slightly tighter slide-to-frame fit, thats hard to tell. It appears you may also get the nicer Combat style takedown lever (not that almost anyone really needs one). Hopefully you could get the generally better German hammer that come in the X-5 Allaround, but you will also probably get the new sears they are using. They are using a slightly different sear on the current German production guns to lighten the SA pull (the change to lighten the pull is done in a "bad" way IMO) and they are almost all hand fitted to some extent; I haven't found a single one yet the the German "gunsmiths" haven't screwed up and polished it crooked.
So, if you can get one for $1100 thats probably a decent deal if you would have paid full retail for a P226 Elite; but $1800? Theres no way to my mind it is worth that.
So you're getting the standard 226 slide on a X-5 frame.
You're gaining the more reliable external extractor and the Combat style takedown lever, but losing the more accurate fitted bull barrel"
I usually tweak up my 226's by adding the SRT and 17 pound hammer spring to lighten the trigger pull. No problem with FTF's using the 17# spring.
Hope this helps.
Below is from another sig forum...
"Here are the pertinent features of the X-5 Norway...From the foreman of the Grayguns shop
You have to look at what you are getting with these guns. They (especially the Norwegian) are an X-5 only in that they use an X-5 frame. They do not have any of the other features of the regular X-5 pistols that make them better than the standard Sig lineup, perhaps most importantly they don't have the heavy match fitted barrel.
Anything extra you would pay for one of these over a P226 stainless Elite or similar is only getting you a slightly higher undercut under the trigger guard on the frame. You might get a slightly tighter slide-to-frame fit, thats hard to tell. It appears you may also get the nicer Combat style takedown lever (not that almost anyone really needs one). Hopefully you could get the generally better German hammer that come in the X-5 Allaround, but you will also probably get the new sears they are using. They are using a slightly different sear on the current German production guns to lighten the SA pull (the change to lighten the pull is done in a "bad" way IMO) and they are almost all hand fitted to some extent; I haven't found a single one yet the the German "gunsmiths" haven't screwed up and polished it crooked.
So, if you can get one for $1100 thats probably a decent deal if you would have paid full retail for a P226 Elite; but $1800? Theres no way to my mind it is worth that.
So you're getting the standard 226 slide on a X-5 frame.
You're gaining the more reliable external extractor and the Combat style takedown lever, but losing the more accurate fitted bull barrel"
I usually tweak up my 226's by adding the SRT and 17 pound hammer spring to lighten the trigger pull. No problem with FTF's using the 17# spring.
Hope this helps.
Ken, I'm glad you enjoy your Sig. They are excellent firearms.
I stand by my previous comments. The X5 Short you posted a link to and the X5 being sold by Bullseye are obviously different guns. One is stainless with wood grips, a magwell, skeletonized trigger & hammer, and built by the Mastershop with a price tag around $4000. The other is, as discussed, a black X5 steel frame with a standard 226 top, no special fitting done, not listed on the European or North American websites, and with a price tag of $1299. Is it a good gun, absolutely. Is it a better buy than a P226 extreme, in my mind yes. Is it worth $1299, depends on the individual. Is it a Mastershop product, no. To pretend otherwise is foolish.
The CZ is also a reliable, accurate enough, all steel, DA/SA pistol that has a lot of aftermarket support, with a good dealer network and Canadian warranty centre at a price that is $300-$500 less depending on the sales you find. That easily covers extra mags, a holster, and mag carrier. If you're on a budget or have a wife keeping track it all counts.
I personally prefer the ergos on the CZ. Put another 200rds through mine today, and though my shooting is still subpar, I really like the gun. So did my father-in-law, a dedicated revolver man, who ended up shooting circles around me. I think the CZ is the best value available in a metal frame pistol.
I stand by my previous comments. The X5 Short you posted a link to and the X5 being sold by Bullseye are obviously different guns. One is stainless with wood grips, a magwell, skeletonized trigger & hammer, and built by the Mastershop with a price tag around $4000. The other is, as discussed, a black X5 steel frame with a standard 226 top, no special fitting done, not listed on the European or North American websites, and with a price tag of $1299. Is it a good gun, absolutely. Is it a better buy than a P226 extreme, in my mind yes. Is it worth $1299, depends on the individual. Is it a Mastershop product, no. To pretend otherwise is foolish.
The CZ is also a reliable, accurate enough, all steel, DA/SA pistol that has a lot of aftermarket support, with a good dealer network and Canadian warranty centre at a price that is $300-$500 less depending on the sales you find. That easily covers extra mags, a holster, and mag carrier. If you're on a budget or have a wife keeping track it all counts.
I personally prefer the ergos on the CZ. Put another 200rds through mine today, and though my shooting is still subpar, I really like the gun. So did my father-in-law, a dedicated revolver man, who ended up shooting circles around me. I think the CZ is the best value available in a metal frame pistol.
