Sig716 vs DPMS REPR

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Well I've decided that my .223 AR and 300BLK AR are going up forsale because I've got the itch for a .308 AR. I've narrowed it down to the Sig716 and the DPMS REPR. Both look amazing. But they use different operating systems. I'm looking for comments / experience with both rifles if anyone has. And what aftermarket touches each may need.

Thanks for the help

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I have only shot the 716 once - my only comment is that if you are planning to mount a bipod, the 716 handguard is short and putting the bipod closer. Because the bipod is closer, any given amount of movement by the shooter will be translated to more movement of the muzzle.

If you are planning to run and gun, pick the one that is lighter.
 
i dont know much about either, but DPMS for the win based solely on looks alone....
i personally prefer a longer / rifle length handguard on a large platform like this too

i'm sure they both shoot great though
 
I'd go for the DPMS. I've got the LRT-SASS and it is accurate, reliable and a blast to shoot. A really well built rifle. Swapped the flash hider for a surefire brake and it is very smooth with only minor re-aiming to put it back on the 300yd gong, you can put shots on target almost as fast as you can pull the trigger.

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Or if your luck holds out until Dec22 you can get the 716 for $1799 ($2050 right now) from Questar with their Xmas discount...great price...
 
I have considered the QuestAr deal. But I don't "run n gun" or do any competing. It would just mainly be a bench/prone shooting gun to compete against buddies at the range.

That SASS looks awesome with the A2
 
Although not "readily" available right now the Colt 901 is an option, Pmags and a completely "ambi" lower, with the option to run a 5.56 upper with there adapter.
 
I have bought a 716 ODG patrol recently. I love it. Keep in my mind that it is a patrol rifle, not a benchrest rifle. The ergonomics are exceptional. The weight distribution is excellent. Compared to a normal AR, it is extremely quick to clean. 10 minutes and it is finish. The piston is easily available and has multiple setting which would give interesting options for cans or rifle grenades. The trigger is average, not bad and not great. The BUIS are OK, I have installed an optic on it. My BUIS were already zeroed @25 yds. The magpul goodies are great, especially the ACS stock. Accuracy is good. I am getting consistent 1,5 MOA with commercial ammo. Reloads gets better result but using them void your warranty. It is not a sniper rifle. It is a patrol rifle.

The sling is phenomenal. Really. Technically, it a three point sling, but it really feels like a single point when you carry it. You install its two quick detachable points at the pistol grip hole and at the beginning of the handgard. The third point, the plastic buckle, is not useful in the carry function of the sling. You really don’t need to unlock the third point for shooting. The third point is really useful when you use the sling to stabilise the weapon. When you put both of your shoulders in the loop of the sling and you remove the third point, the sling automatically adapts to your body and it stabilise your rifle. With the sling in this position, you require very little strength to maintain a proper shooting position in sitting, kneeling or standing. With the help of a monopod and the sling, no hands are required to hold the rifle, even in standing position. In sitting position, your support hand can go straight in the back to even hold a rear shooting bag like if you were shooting from a bipod. My groupings in sitting were equivalent to my groupings in benchrest, really. If for some reason, the sling is loose, you can easily tighten it by detaching the point on the handgard and moving it further to the other point closer to the muzzle. The presence of a quality sling shows that Sig has put love and thought in this rifle.

It is the first time, for me, an accessory like a sling becomes a selling point… No need for bipod with the 716. You need a monopod with this rifle. And have fun to shoot accurately from standing, kneeling or sitting. BTW, there is NO bayonet lug with the 716. “Pictures may differ”.
 
IRUNGUNS had a few on the Black friday sale, around $3100 IIRC. I agree, with ya on the LMT, however the Questar 20% after Dec 22th may "sharpen" the price for ya?, it's also much heavier. The Colt seems to me to be in a good price point, although slightly ahead of the SIG. I have read one comment on the SIG over on M4Carbine, about the lower being damaged by "carrier tilt", YMMV.


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At over $3500 the LMT is out. If I was spending that cash I would be buying the LWRC REPR
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I have not shoot the DPMS REPR. I am sure it is a very good rifle. I would just point to you what appear to be the main differences: the stocks. I have a Magpul PRS stock on another rifle; it is the same as the DPMS. It is an amazing stock if you are shooting from a bench or from prone. The stock is not collapsible; therefore, it is less ideal if you are shooting from standing or kneeling.

The Magpul ACS stock is, so far, my favorite stock. It is ergonomic and much more stable than usual M4 stocks. It has three compartments. I feel it is perfect to insert important data; in this case I have inserted a ballistic table and a graph of my scope reticle. Batteries for my optics are also be stored. Because of its ergonomics, as soon you point the rifle from standing, you are pretty much aligned.

So if you plan to use your rifle as a bench rest/sniper like rifle, DPMS REPR may be a better option. If you plan to use your rifle as an all-around-Jack-of-all trade-Master-of-none, the 716 may be a better option. With both rifles, you will get better accuracy and better range than a standard AR.

The other difference is the mechanism: direct gas or piston. For most mortals, there is little difference. If you plan to put a can on it, the 716 would be a better choice, but that isn’t an option here. The main gain of the piston over direct gas, is really for the cleaning of the rifle. Cleaning a piston is FAR less trouble than cleaning all the little places inside an AR. The trigger may differ, but I can’t say anything about the DPMS. Even the 716 is supposed to be a “match” trigger. It does not feel “match” to me.

So you have two good choices. The question you have to answer is how you see yourself using this rifle. Your two choices were clear and pertinent for people with limited budgets. Both comes from companies that have proven their value. Maybe Navy Seal Team 6 are not using them, but none of us are member of that team either…
 
Just a point on the bolt tilt. The 716 gas selector has 4 settings. If you select “adverse” setting because as a machniegunner you were always on “adverse” to reduce misfires; you will definitely get bolt tilt. Just like if you select “suppressor” setting and shoot without cans, you will experience failures to extract. You have that guy on Youtube who criticize the 716 as being unreliable. His setting was on “suppressor” but did not have cans. Before blaming the machine, I have a tendency to blame the shooters. Most of them are no JTF2 ninjas. One case does not make a rule. I’ve check my 716 and there is no trace of bolt tilt.

If you reload and you put a hot load of 45 grains of Varget, chances are you will get bolt tilt. Beside, your cases heads will all be dented because of the violent extraction and not reusable. The Sig 716, like most semi autos requires full sizing AND reduce/normal loads. If you shoot normal ammo at the normal setting, everything should be fine.
 
DPMS REPR for the OP's purposes. Patrol rifle with the SIG716 vs Designated Marksman in the DPMS. Easy choice.

That being said I prefer the Armalite SASS. Better built rifle. DPMS has 7029 extruded upper, billet lower vs Armalite 7175 forged upper and lower. I also prefer the bolt design/quality on the Armalite. The barrel is a ss Walther lothar tripple lapped ceramic coated deal. DPMS has SS melonite treated with coated exterior barrel. Both have PRS stock and match triggers.

Also I'm in the minority but I don't like pmags and the Gen2 Armalite mags which has been standard since 2008 (Designed in 2006), are reliable and well made. Mag reliability issues were with the clunky m14 converted mags not the Gen2. At $50 a mag you get a mag built much nicer than DPMS mag and 1/3rd the price of the KAC mag.

The DPMS is the better choice for the OP based on use. But I would look at comparable rifles as well. Either way I have no doubt the DPMS will work well and put a smile on your face. There's nothing like the 308AR Kachuuuum bang sound. They really are fun to shoot.
 
The armalite SASS does look amazing and from reading specs looks to be a good shooter. But from what I'm reading from you Epoxy it uses its own mags? Not pmags? ( I'm a magpul whore)

All these opinions and experiances are a help to me. I'm not new to ARs just new to the world of 308 ARs

I like the Armalite, The Colt. And the DPMS. Still conflicted. And no one is buying my 300blk AR so its a waiting game
 
German made sig would be my choice, If sig is USA made then it is a toss up and pick whatever has the options you want.

Their restricted status is why I have no real interest in either.
 
Death said:
The armalite SASS does look amazing and from reading specs looks to be a good shooter. But from what I'm reading from you Epoxy it uses its own mags? Not pmags? ( I'm a magpul whore)

All these opinions and experiances are a help to me. I'm not new to ARs just new to the world of 308 ARs

I like the Armalite, The Colt. And the DPMS. Still conflicted. And no one is buying my 300blk AR so its a waiting game
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Yes it uses it's own mag. A modified m14 mag. The idea was to have a ready supply of pre ban mags during the first assault rifle ban in the US. The good news is mags will never be a problem as M14 mags can be used as the base.

I also really like magpul. But I'm not so fond of the pmag. I do prefer D&H which works exceptionally and in all my rifles. Pmag doesn't like some specialty lowers, has to be modified or gen3 for Tavor etc. Doesn't work in T97 etc. D&H works in all of them. I have heard of issues with the pmag being so so in certain 308 rifles as well. Love their stocks and grips though.

I should add that Armalite has a version now for the original AR10 mag system ie DPMS/SR25 system. So pmags are available for it. But availability is still an issue. The SASS is a model available with the alternate mag system. Something to consider.

An interesting read: ww w.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=1174

I own a DPMS LR-308 target rifle (My first AR), LMT MWS, and three Armalite AR10 rifles (Two DND AR10, one SASS). So I have both mag systems. This isn't a I bought this type so it's the best post.

From my reading on the DPMS model you listed and owning a DPMS I can give you a list of what I think it's strengths and weaknesses are. First off the DPMD rifles come off ad comercial grade not military. The earlier ones were 6061 aluminum extruded and billet. They upped that lately to 7029. Still less than the 7175 forged of Armalite. The bolt release is almost countersunk I guess to make it less likely to snag on stuff or just for looks. Fine for target shooting but sucks for other use as you pretty much have to activate it with your thumb and can't us the prefered palm slap. The REPR comes with the cool AAC flash hider which indicates easy use of a supressor which connects to this. But the gas block isn't adjustable for supressor and it doesn't come with the PRI gas buster charging handle? The Armalite SASS has those features. Not important to us as supressors aren't legal but goes to show you the lack of thought and it's commercial grade style. The REPR has an ambi mag release but the lower is just the standard boxy DPMS lower. So the Norgon style release no doubt works but looks like an after thought on that lower.

The good: I like the FDE colour, ambi mag release (although can be added to any AR), ambi safety which again can be added, AAC flash hider, Harris bipod and SS barrel. It has the dust cover and Forward assist on the upper. Two stage trigger (Stock single stage DPMS triggers suck) and the PRS stock. It's a decent package. Looks good and will no doubt shoot.

My DPMS is the LR-308 target model. At the time for the price it was an easy and excellent choice. I have no regrets. However there are a few things I've mentioned that should be considered. Especially with their DM military style rifles were the differences might matter more.

One last thing. Whatever you get. Change the pistol grip to a Magpul Miad. With AR10 or DPMS you also need the $5 AR10 wedge as the curve isn't the same as AR15 and there will be an ugly gap without the wedge. One of the needed upgrades. The LMT being the exception as I also really like the ergo grip they come with.
 
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