Sight alignment on Glock

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Alright so a month and change ago I bought some Trijicon three dot nights sights to replace the stock plastic U sight on my G17. I didn't want to fork out the $100 something for the sight pusher or $50 for the front sight tool and I didn't want to do something bootleg (like I most likely would have) so I had them professionally installed by an agency here in Toronto that services Glocks for all the police departments. They are all Glock certified armorers and had all the tools.


Thing is though it seems like my sight is "off", not flush on both sides with the same amount of space. Seems like the rear sight is a bit more to the left and I'm wondering if this is enough to make a difference.

It could be all in my head and maybe my shooting is just wrong but it almost feels like every since I got these sights installed I've been shooting more towards the "top left".


Here are the pictures.


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You can see a bit larger of a gap on the right side then the left.

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Once the sight was installed the armorer was going back and forth pushing the sight side to side with the tool and looking at the sight picture, trying to "eye it up" without any kind of specialized tool.

What is even more weird is my G17 is supposed to be a stock US Domestic market civilian model with the standard 5.5lbs trigger. While I was changing my connector out yesterday to install a new OEM "-" Glock connector, I discovered that my previous connector was not the standard 5.5lbs "Blank" connector but apparently it's the "Ultra rare" you need LEO credentials "Dot" connector.

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So where do I stand on my gun having freak parts and the sight alignment issue?
 
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Judging by the pictures, the rear sight is out enough to make the gun shoot left. As for the trigger disconnecter, I have no idea why that would be in there... did you purchase new or used? (You can buy those glock disconnectors)
 
Center the sights yourself or if they were 'professionally' installed take the slide back and get them to fix it. It's supposed to be dead center. Also the dot connector is a gen4 thing.
 
Your rear sight is obviously off. You can borrow my rear sight tool to correct the issue. As for the Connector 5 (Dot Connector) it's the Glock standard for Gen 4, as stated above.
 
jackrabbit000 said:
What's so odd about the dot (.) connector? I have one in my G22 Gen 4.
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illumined said:
As for the Connector 5 (Dot Connector) it's the Glock standard for Gen 4, as stated above.
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I don't really know but on the U.S. sites, apparently the dot connector is the ultra rare "ATF Connector", place where I ordered my OEM "-" Connector sold the DOT Connector but said you needed to provide your guns serial number so they can make sure it's LEO. I bought my stuff off Glockparts.com

Scott Bear said:
Have you tried shooting it? Maybe it shoots to POA for you?
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Maybe, maybe not. I twirk the gun sometimes to the left or right and maybe I've been compensating ever since so it seems like it's POA. Either way there is no way the guy installing could have known so I doubt it was intended.

So is there a way to fix this without the front sight tool that won't damage the gun?

Also, as for this professional install I have to say I'm quite disappointed. This place is one of the major Glock distributors in Canada that distribute directly to LEO agencies and dealers that you and I buy from and the armorers are supposed to be all "Glock Certified Armorers". They had all the tools so I can't see how they could have screwed this up. They also took forever, way longer then they should have so it's not like it was a rushed job. I also waited the 24 hrs for the loctite they put in to set, I'm pretty sure it's only on the front sight but either way, no reason for this to have gone wrong.
 
This is not the end of the wold. Jeeze, it's a gun, not a motherboard for a supercomputer.

I can't comment on your connector, but the rear sight is an easy fix.

Take slide off gun. Wrap sides in towel. Put it in vice. Get a medium sized brass punch that is similar in size to the base of your rear sight. If you are worried about the finish on the sight you can use a piece of cloth between the sight and the punch.

Use a medium size hammer and lightly tap on the punch. Use your Mark 1 eyeball to center it. Make sure you position the punch at the base of the rear sight in the dovetail, not at the top, or you risk breaking the sight and the tritium vial.

Take it to the range and verify POI.

Couldn't be easier.
 
So is there a way to fix this without the front sight tool that won't damage the gun?
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Yes there is. Do you have a vise grips? I've installed a few sights myself that looked like they came from the factory that way. If you don't have any special tools that's fine, take a screwdriver with a hex bit, slip a fired .22 case on it place a small folded piece of fabric between the .22 case and a sights give it a few taps with a small hammer.
 
Slavex said:
Dot connectors have been coming in commercial guns for awhile now
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What's the pull #/lbs on those dot connectors? I remember reading about it and "they" said it was supposed to be an intermidiate connector in between the stock "blank" connector at 5.5lbs and the "-" connecter at 3.5 (really 4.5)?


Also, if they're available then why do some U.S. sites still advertise it as some super rare LEO thing and places like Glockparts.com want your serial number for it?

Not trying to be smart, just trying to figure out what's the status on these.

IM_Lugger said:
Yes there is. Do you have a vise grips? I've installed a few sights myself that looked like they came from the factory that way. If you don't have any special tools that's fine, take a screwdriver with a hex bit, slip a fired .22 case on it place a small folded piece of fabric between the .22 case and a sights give it a few taps with a small hammer.
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Everything in that sounds good except for the part about a vice. I don't have one, costs as much as a sight pusher. Think C-Clamps will work? Or some other bootleg methods?
 
I dunno what the poundage is with the Dot connector, I remember a discussion on pistol-forum.com about it and a number of guys who definitely weren't LEO were talking about how they were showing up in new guns. As well I've seen them up here. My Gen III doesn't have one though.

Oh and yeah that sight is way the #### off. Whoever installed that owes you some money for not doing their job properly
 
Pisses me off, if you guys only knew who was installing these things.

It was only 20 bucks but heck if you work in a warehouse stacked to the brim with Glocks and supposedly service these things all effen day then how does this even happen.
 
So now that we've concluded that the sight is off, is it off enough to really throw my aim off? Because I have been able to score some really good groups before I even noticed this.

I'm planning on fixing this myself but I got a match coming up for ODPL and I might not have the time to do it by then.


It's like I almost don't want to believe this so called "expert" who installed the sight did it wrong but is it possible this is some "theory based" install, maybe the guy thinks that as a rightty you'll have a tendency to look through the sight more sow to the left?

Complete crap shoot here guys, I'm just trying to think what was running through this guys mind when he did this.
 
Little off topic, but a table vise is a good investment. About $60-70 at CDN Tire.

I've replaced sights/parts on my glocks, 1911, AR's, you name it without a vise. Pain in the ass to do sometimes, but doable. Decided to build my 2nd AR few months back, and decided to invest in a vise. Night and day. Just replaced my sights on my new G34, easy, peasy.

Plus has many uses other than firearm maintenance.

Back on topic, agree with Slavex. You paid good money to have them installed properly. Either they fix the problem or you get your money back.
 
zero the gun, start at 7yds and work back to whatever distance you can shoot accurately and call your hits. If everything is fine, then don't adjust the sight. if not, adjust it.
 
Will do. I'm gonna go out and buy a C-Clamp and find a small/thin wooden dowel, camp that slide down and use a rubber mallet to hammer it back into alignment.

Sounds good?
 
oh, and to answer the other part of your question, lets say that the sight is supposed to centered for you to get hits, then yes, the amount it is out will throw your shots off target. That thing is waaaaaay off. Unless, the dude who installed it, zeroed it and discovered that's where it's supposed to be for accurate shots. If that's the case I'd be talking to Glock about a new gun.
 
Well it's done. I'm gonna go out to the range in a few days and report back. This is my first handgun that I have done serious handgun shooting with. I posted a thread almost six months back on if I was any good (with pics), I'll post pics on how I've been since.



I remember Slavex telling me to start at 5 yards, then 7, 10, 15, and I was pissed because I thought it was a waste. Best advice I ever got.
 
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