Sighting in with different ammo

For hunting purposes, the weights and the accuracy of different brands of ammo or bullets are very highly over rated.
Not that many years ago in BC, before the limited entry hunting applications, one just bought a moose tag and went hunting. A great many hunters got a moose almost every year. And it is a safe bet that the actual majority of those hunters couldn't tell you what weight bullet was in the cartridges in their rifle, if you asked them while they were in the bush hunting! Nor could they say what brand of ammunition they had.
Ask any salesperson behind the counter of a sporting goods store about hunters buying ammunition. They will come in and ask for a box of "bullets" for their 30-06, 308, or whatever.
The salesperson will hand them a box of shells for their rifle and that is it.
Also, most rifles will shoot any brand of, say 180 grain bullets in 30-06, to very nearly the same point of impact at 100 yards. Same largely goes for different weights that are not too extreme, such as 150, 165, 180 or even 220, in 30-06. In my early days of hunting one fall I was shooting game with a 30-06 with 150 grain bullets. I switched to 220 grain bullets and, without any sighting shots, killed the first moose I aimed at, then I aimed at the chest of a mule deer buck that was facing me and hit the white spot on his chest with with the 220 bullet.
Like most shooters, I'm a cheap bastard, but now a little fussy. So if I were loading a batch of Nosler, or any other premium brand bullets, when it came to sighting I would subtistute the same weight and similar shaped bullet for sighting in. The low priced Speer pointed bullets are very similar to Nosler, so that is what I use for sighting. I am now so fussy that when sighted with the Speer, I would fire one round with the Nosler, just to be sure. I have never yet seen anything except the Nosler going into the same group as the Speer.
 
Necroman99,
Energy means not much, in reality, as it does not take in count many variants such as bullet construction.
Most of the games I shoot are with 250 grains bullets, from 9.3X62 and from .358 Norma Magnum. I never experienced such a thing as "separated" game, even on sthe small ones. If you choose the right bullet, you'll get the results you are expecting.
Of course, a 300 Win Mag with a lightly built bullet will act as a bomb on small game, but a heavier solidly built one will cross the chest only making a small hole in and out, and will make it's way through the bones of heavier games.
As stated above, there is nothing such as an overkilled animal.
A 30-06 Sprgd with a 180 grains Partition is perfect for games of all sizes, were they moose or even foxes.
 
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Okay, this was great guys. All I could ask for and more.
These last two posts really hit home with me so thanks for those.

Archie_james ... You are 110 percent right, I'm clearly overthinking things based on what I've read today...so good lessons learned. BUT. I probably won't stop overthinking things because (a) it's my nature and I like it...dissecting things like this is my idea of fun with a beer in my hand and (b) it's keeping me sane while I wit for my pal. Will I ever be ready when the fall hunt starts after I mine all you guys experience!! So hopefully you will all answer next time cause this was great.
 
My research doesn't bear this out. If this were true I'd use some cannon that can blow a deer in half. The first advice I ever got on calibre selection was 300 win mag... And that would probably be better for moose, but I've read lots of material suggesting that's way too much gun for deer under about 400yds. The .30-06 was widely recommeded for all purpose gun

Which caliber does your research suggest will blow a deer in half? :rolleyes:
 
Just like you should pattern your shotgun when you change shells, you should sight in different rifle ammo. A duck is no more important than a moose.

Theres lots of lazy hunters that have'nt sighted in in years, dont be one. Shooting is fun, even killing paper.
 
The first advice I ever got on calibre selection was 300 win mag... And that would probably be better for moose, but I've read lots of material suggesting that's way too much gun for deer under about 400yds. The .30-06 was widely recommeded for all purpose gun

Given that the only real difference between a 300winmag, and a 30-06, is a few hundred fps, if the 300winmag is way too much gun for deer under 400 yards, then the 30-06 would be way too much gun for deer under about 250 to 300 yards.
 
My research doesn't bear this out. If this were true I'd use some cannon that can blow a deer in half. The first advice I ever got on calibre selection was 300 win mag... And that would probably be better for moose, but I've read lots of material suggesting that's way too much gun for deer under about 400yds. The .30-06 was widely recommeded for all purpose gun

Not to pile on but your research is not correct. For years I used a 338WM for everything including antlerless mule deer and truth be told it caused less damage than a 270. I still occationally use a 300WM for whitetail when the mood strikes and it does not destroy a deer with 180 Nosler partitions. Construction of bullets is a bigger factor in destroying meat than any other factor I have seen.
 
Well I can't argue with the logic of the last two posts...especially when you guys actually own guns and all own is anticipation. A simple google search for "300 mag too much for deer?" will find the articles I read, and they seemed pretty solid in terms of who was writing them...but let's not beat a dead horse. This thread was for me to learn and I'm doing just that...so i'll continue to prey on your good graces.

I think, based on this thread's responses that I've been dizzied by the availability of calibres and the information I've been able to read about them...I thought there should be some reason I should choose a 30-06 over a 300 wm or vice versa...or some other bloody chamber! You guys are saying I can pick whatever the hell I want...then pick the right cartridges and I'm off and running...the available choices are just making me afraid to pick the wrong one..that's funny.

Dogleg: I guess you've got me dead to rights on my choice of words...I just meant that I figured if you gun up enough you'll make sure the deer is dead...but you'll lose a lot of deer doing it...recent posts make me think I was overestimating that potential.:HR:
 
I thought there should be some reason I should choose a 30-06 over a 300 wm or vice versa...or some other bloody chamber!

There's good reason, recoil. While there isn't over-kill as far as the animal is concerned, there is such a thing as over-gunned as far as the shooter is concerned. For a new shooter a .300 is about the last thing he should get.
 
Even a 30-06 can be a snarky b*itch for a newer gunner. Thankfully theres aloooooot of factory options for different weights and such.

A 300 mag may be "too much" but only if set up inncorrectly. If you hit a deer with a 300 mag using a 180 grain partition, I don't think you're gonna get a lot of meat damage.

Hit that same deer with a 150 grain Hornady SST Superformance 300 mag...and you got some goo to scoop out of the deer :D
 
For a new shooter a .300 is about the last thing he should get.

I'll second that, my first rifle was a Savage in 300 Ultra Mag...that rifle turned me off of shooting for 2 years. I may as well have carried a camera instead, because I were'nt gonna hit nothing anyways.

Best thing I ever did was move down to .260, .308, .338 Federal. I built myself up to the recoil. I'm not an awesome shooter now, nor can I sit behind a .338 Ultra Mag for 1000 rounds. But I can handle 7mm mags, 300 mags, etc with relative ease.

Thank gawddd that 300 Ultra went down the road...
 
I didn't mean he should not shoot it to check, but most likely he will find a 2'' difference at 100 yds, if he is looking for a hit in a moose's lungs 2'' would be acceptable to him. for longer shots resighting will definatly be needed.
 
Even a 30-06 can be a snarky b*itch for a newer gunner. Thankfully theres aloooooot of factory options for different weights and such.

A 300 mag may be "too much" but only if set up inncorrectly. If you hit a deer with a 300 mag using a 180 grain partition, I don't think you're gonna get a lot of meat damage.

Hit that same deer with a 150 grain Hornady SST Superformance 300 mag...and you got some goo to scoop out of the deer :D

Should you buy an off the shelf .300 Winchester you can be sure it will be set up incorrectly. The LOP's too long, the recoil pad offers little cushioning, and the rifle is probably too light to mitigate much of the recoil. Top that off with the choice of a variable power scope with a long eye piece mounted in standard rings, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Some .30/06 loads can be nasty when fired from too light a rifle, or worse, from too light a rifle having a plastic or metal butt plate. The solution is easy enough though, first have the stock cut to fit you with the installation of a quality recoil pad, and down-load your ammo to a tolerable level or purchase managed recoil ammo. Over time work up to the rifle's full potential as your tolerance to recoil increases. The trouble is that some of the popular inexpensive plastic stocks don't readily shorten, few new riflemen take up handloading at the same time as they begin shooting, and factory managed recoil ammo is expensive and doesn't provide gradual increase in recoil, you either have light recoil or heavy.

The solution then is to begin with a lighter cartridge like the 6.5X55, which combines decent performance on big game, with manners mild enough to allow a new shooter to quickly gain competence with it. These are available in a quality yet economical medium weight second hand rifles from Tradex, although having owned both, I would be inclined to choose a commercial sporter over a military rifle. The .260 Remington offers similar advantages as the 6.5X55 if one avoids getting it in a fly weight rifle. So choose your rifle first and your cartridge second, not the other way around. If a 6.5 isn't available in the rifle you want, maybe a .25/06 or a .270 is. If you're a new shooter set on a .30/06 or a .300 magnum, get set up to handload and begin with light bullets loaded to moderate velocities. That said I've started shooters with .30/06 rifles loaded with 125 and 130 gr bullets loaded to 2600 fps.
 
Well put Boomer. I wasnt trying to condone a new shooter buying a magnum. A new shooter would defintely be better off with a 25-06, 6.5X55, 270, 308. I was just trying to expand on the "overkill" statement and how it can be applied to most any round and went off on a tangent.
 
You know the difference between a deer and a gopher, right?:p

Yup...never seen a deer blown in half though, even with some of the biggest cannons out there. Seen some ugly exit holes from a 300 and 340 Wby mags and 300 Win Mag.

In all cases, my 243 and 308 popguns did a way better job...quick...clean. But...nowhere near what my little 223 does to gophers.

Just say'in. ;)
 
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