Sightron SIII 6-24x50 LRFFP/MH ... What do y'all think?

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I'm looking for new glass to put on my Sako TRG-22.

Here's my dilema:

It's rare that I shoot F/TR matches (I haven't had time to shoot one in about 2 years).

I general shoot paper for groups at 300m and like to be able to see the bullet holes.

I want MILs on the turrets so I can get into shooting unknown distance / tactical style shooting and FFP would be a big help.

My biggest worry is that the cross hairs will be much to big on 24x for shooting groups at 300m. Reading the Sightron website, it looks like the center dot is .073MILs.

Given what I'm looking for in a scope, should I go for the Sightron SIII 6-24x50 LRFFP/MH or would it be wiser to go with the Sightron SIII 8-32x56 LRMD/CM. The cross hairs on the 8-32 would be .025MIL.
 
I should add that I already have an SIII 6-24x50 with a Mildot reticle and MOA. It's a very nice scope with good glass and on a nice day I can see .308 bullet holes at 300m but it's harder on the eyes than the SIII 8-32x56 LRTD that I use to own.
 
0.073mils is extremely thick (well beyond the norm). The "thick" FFP reticles are usually 0.05mil. 0.03-0.035mil generally preferred. For unknown distance / tactical style shooting, I would say FFP is required if you want to be competitive in a match. For plinking in the back 40, it doesn't matter...

The reticle on the SFP scope is only 0.025mil at 24x. It covers less of the target as the magnificaiton goes up and more of it as the magnificaiton goes down (if the reticle doesn't appear to change size when you change magnification, but your target appears to change size, the ratio between the two is changing).
 
Hmmm I'm a big fan of Sightrons but that's bad news. Unfortunately, I doubt I'll have the chance to look through their FFP scope to help me make up my mind.

Koombayotch, any other FFPs that you recommend I look into?
 
The sightron published specs continue to be goofy. The reticle is not that thick... at least to my eyes.

It is similar to the cross hair of the Mildot reticle in your 6-24 at 24X.

It is about twice as thick as the LRMOA reticle which is very thin (similar to the TD lines).

I have no idea who does their spec sheets but they continue to be filled with errors.

Oh well... great scope.

Jerry
 
I've got the SIII 6-24x50 FFPMH and love it ! I'm using it @ 300m & beyond . With my "older" eyes I have a problem seeing .338 holes in
Paper. My next scope would be the higher magnification
 
Tikka223 said:
Hmmm I'm a big fan of Sightrons but that's bad news. Unfortunately, I doubt I'll have the chance to look through their FFP scope to help me make up my mind.

Koombayotch, any other FFPs that you recommend I look into?
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In that price range, my choice would be a Vortex 6-24x PST with an EBR-2C reticle.
 
I already have a PST 4-16 FFP and to me the glass just isn't quite as crisp as my Sightrons. The quasi-zero stop is a nice feature though.
 
Sightron's reticle will cover roughly 0.85" at 300 meters, which in my opinion is not much. I would be worried about that .073 mil reticle at 1000mts or more.
Vortex's new reticle is nice as Kombayotch said, it has empty space in the middle rather then a dot or line so you can see very fine amount of target.
Don't get me wrong, I like Sightron just as much as vortex, not more not less. Sightron has slight edge in glass clarity but Vortex has more features and "to some" better reticle. Does that slight edge in glass clarity matters at mid range, I don't know. It's all compromise, as Jerry says.
If I was in your shoes I would not get Sightrons standard Mildot reticle but rather lean towards vortex FFP but for long range stuff(800+) I would definitely pick second focal plane Sightron.
JMHO
 
Tikka223 said:
I already have a PST 4-16 FFP and to me the glass just isn't quite as crisp as my Sightrons. The quasi-zero stop is a nice feature though.
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Have been told the glass is better in the 6-24x, but I have never put them side-by side. There is also the Bushnell scopes with the G2 reticle, which is also nice.

Features like mechanical stops are worthwhile if you are shooting a match that requires you to dial rapidly for different distances for successive shots. It is common to have to engage a target at a mid distance, then a close distance on the next shot, then a far distance shot, then close again, then mid/far, etc... Its easy to get lost on the turret and end up on the wrong revolution. This is also why scopes with 10 mils/rev adjustments turrets are popular. But, I can't think of any scopes with 10 mil/rev adjustments in that price range.
 
kombayotch said:
Have been told the glass is better in the 6-24x, but I have never put them side-by side. There is also the Bushnell scopes with the G2 reticle, which is also nice.

Features like mechanical stops are worthwhile if you are shooting a match that requires you to dial rapidly for different distances for successive shots. It is common to have to engage a target at a mid distance, then a close distance on the next shot, then a far distance shot, then close again, then mid/far, etc... Its easy to get lost on the turret and end up on the wrong revolution. This is also why scopes with 10 mils/rev adjustments turrets are popular. But, I can't think of any scopes with 10 mil/rev adjustments in that price range.
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Agreed. Glass is subjective in nature but new 6-24 seems on par with Sightron. I have both.
OP if you do consider Vortex PM me.
 
I'll give the PST 6-24x50 FFP some thought. Looking at the Vortex website it says the reticle is .04MIL in thickness. The amount of features for the price is nice, as is the Warranty, but I find both these pros to be a little gimmicky. I've owned many SIIIs and one PST. I prefer the Sightrons but could be convinced to go Vortex again. Unfortunately, I don't have 2000-3000$ to drop on something nicer ... Especially since prices seem to jump from 1000$ right to 2000$.
 
Like Jerry said the numbers that Sightron have for the reticle thickness is wrong on the mil-hash FFP. I was putting together a long range rifle package for a friend recently who wanted a decent scope but didn't want to spend NF or S&B money so I was stuck with Sightron vs Vortex. I did the same thing for a different friend a year or so ago before the Sightron FFP were really out and went with the Vortex PST 6-24 FFP and wasn't very impressed with it. So I was looking hard at the Sightrons but when I seen the 0.07 reticle thickness I said no way I would consider it, I think 0.05 is too thick. However after a lot of research I found out that it wasn't that thick at all. I can't remember off the top of my head but it was around 0.040-0.045 MIL.

After spending some time behind the scope and the PST (I've had 5 PST's over the years) I much prefer the Sightron and feel its a better scope in the 1K price range than the Vortex. The only thing the Vortex has over it is the "zerostop" which I have never been a fan of PST shim zerostop system.

Just my opinion, I don't think you would get a better scope for that price range.
 
I can't find any photos on the Internet of what the Sightron LRFFP/MH reticle looks like. If someone could post one it would be greatly appreciated. The one on the Sightron website isn't very helpful, especially if some of the dimensions are wrong.
 
I'm not a big fan of the PST zero stop either. I had a 400$ Hi-Lux CMR that had a much superior design and was a true zero stop. Too bad Sightron hasn't gone full tactical and introduced that type of feature.

I think I can do without a zero stop. I'm assuming that in tactical matches time plays a factor in scoring, so I think I would likely end up using the reticle for hold overs rather than constantly dialling on the scope. Outside of a tactical match - 99% of my shooting - I would have plenty of time to dial on the turrets.

I also don't really see myself needing any illumination outside of hunting and I can't see myself hunting with a 6-24 power scope.

Are there turrets on the SIII LRFFP/CM capped like the normal 6-24 SIII?
 
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