Starscream
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Because they cost more... that's about it.
Sigs...What's the big deal if they are not German
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We're not going to go down this road are we?
The question is simply one of production values. Historically, the Americans have concentrated on mass production and affordability. Whereas the Germans are known for fastidious attention to detail and over-engineering.
The SIG is ostensibly a Swiss design and a variation on John Browning's genius. They asked the Germans, not the Americans to help them circumvent their export laws. I can only assume similair production values and logistics influenced the Swiss decision.
I own both German and American pistols. I find the fit, finish and operation of the German pistols to be superior. Durability has not been a factor with either type.
In regards to the impact of German weaponry on the outcome of past conflicts; the Springfield 1903 is a copy of the K98 Mauser, the M60 a failed copy of the MG42. The Seals and several other American agencies seem to prefer HK; as do many military and police agencies worldwide. I could go on ad nauseum; however it was tactics that lost the wars not technology. Get your facts straight before you initiate an insult.
The German SIGs had QC done by a 3rd party contracted for the sole purpose of finding problems with their guns. If they couldn't find a problem, the gun was passed.
Sig USA does not QC its guns. They are assembled and shipped, according to people at SIG. Consequently some have been shipped missing parts, or assembled incorrectly.
Furthermore, SIG no longer uses the same suppliers; many small parts have been farmed out to Israeli MIM shops, which further subcontracted the work to Indian MIM shops. As a result the mean-rounds-between-failure has, according to guys like Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers, gone below an acceptable level.
So that's the issue. Whether it affects you or not is up to you.
Sig USA does not QC its guns. They are assembled and shipped, according to people at SIG. Consequently some have been shipped missing parts, or assembled incorrectly.
Furthermore, SIG no longer uses the same suppliers; many small parts have been farmed out to Israeli MIM shops, which further subcontracted the work to Indian MIM shops. As a result the mean-rounds-between-failure has, according to guys like Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers, gone below an acceptable level.
So that's the issue. Whether it affects you or not is up to you.
Brutus
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^I would tend to agree with this summary somewhat.
There are no Walmarts in the fatherland AFAIK, and Sears/Roebuck would not cut the mustard over there, so to speak.
I'll add the discaimer that many European gunmakers tend to 'aim' for a very specific target market to sell thier wares too. They do this very well and they spare no expense. Hence the higher ticket price for goods. Plus many Euro countries put limits on the number of firearms thier private citizens may own. Quantity often takes the back seat to quality in these jurisdictions.
I have some favorite North American made firearms too. One a custom rifle on a Wichita rifle action, a smattering of S&W revolvers of generally older make, a 1956 made Winchester Model 94 and one Colt 1911.
I hold in equal regard, a Swiss target pistol, one Austrian Voere hunting rifle and two German Mausers presently.
Actually quality of manufacture has been noted to have contributed to the loss of the war as tanks and machinery, etc were built to last when in reality they would be lucky to last weeks or months on the battlefield.
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Originally Posted by Perry Wood View Post
Every thing is better from Germany, thats why they won all the wars.
Although I do not believe that was the spirit of the original statement; you are quite correct. It took far too long for materiel to reach the frontline due to this cultural practice. The bearings and mains of the Panther tank engine are a prime example; three bearing sets per ring!
Originally Posted by Perry Wood View Post
Every thing is better from Germany, thats why they won all the wars.
Although I do not believe that was the spirit of the original statement; you are quite correct. It took far too long for materiel to reach the frontline due to this cultural practice. The bearings and mains of the Panther tank engine are a prime example; three bearing sets per ring!
I took it as a sarcastic statement so I thought I'd shed some light.
I can't comment on the guns part as I don't own any German made ones yet, but I am currently on my second German made car and they are vastly superior to any US product.
Well, I guess I should prepare myself for complete disappointment with my new American made Sig 1911 then eh?
RACKMAN
Hope you enjoy it! I have over 6k round through mine. Love it
pisces-guy
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QC, more likely to get a lemon out of a US factory. They're pretty good Tuesday to Thursday, but if you get something made Monday morning(hangovers) or Friday afternoon(when the bar is calling) you may not be pleased! 
Yup!
If the US made guns are good enough for the Navy Seals and the Canadian elite force... Should be good enough for us, the one way range shooters!
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