Is the trigger lock required or just 2 locks? Like put the package in a handgun case and lock it then put that in in a tool box size container and lock it right, double locked. I have had rifles shipped with cable ties on the trigger of an sks a couple times,, it is rendered un useable so locked!
Since Canada Post is no longer reliably delivering packages...
- Thread starter pisces-guy
- Start date
Man, this thread is bleak.
- Location
- Burlington
Well, thanks for making us all look bad on a public forum.
You need a short term att, it's the law.
In the unlikely event you got pulled over with the package, you need a STATT, telling the officer you didn't get one because you assumed the shipper didn't put a trigger lock on it and you didn't want to violate your STATT is ridiculous.
Getting pulled over with your package with your STATT and a unopened package,
"whats in the package? "
" it's my brand new AR, "
" do you have your STATT with you? "
" Yup, here it is"
"can you open the package for me to ensure its trigger locked please? "
" sure, "
Open package
A- shipper shipped locked, you go on your merry way.
B- it's not locked," sorry officer I thought it reasonable to assume the shipper shipped my firearm adhering to the laws set fourth by the firearms act, I wasn't about to open my package at the post office causing a scene, but I did get my STATT as required by law"
Take the 10 minutes it takes to get the STATT and be done with it.
Stop using the "well I'd have to open it in public bla bla bla..." EXCUSE to NOT get you STATT.
I've never had someone at the CFC specifically tell me I have to open my firearm in public to ensure its locked. But they have specifically told me to get a STATT to pick it up from the post office.
If people keep #####ing about having to get a STATT to pick up a package at the post office eventually we'll have to have it shipped to a gun store, and have to get a STATT anyways to pick it up.
It's not a debate, you need a STATT to pick up your firearm from the post office. It's the law.
Last edited:
pisces-guy
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- West Kelowna, B.C.
Okay, so you can call the CFO's office in the morning or even that afternoon you get the card from the mailman, give them your email and the particulars, and they'll email you this statt within a few hours? Then you print it off, bring it with you to the postal outlet, and you don't have to open the package and freak out the public? Well I can live with that...sounds quick and no one freaks out at the pharmacy. 
These ATTs and STATTS are ridiculous though, your R-PAL should be your licence to own and carry your handguns to and from the range, gun shop, etc.. Those easterners love their bureaucracy...lol.
These ATTs and STATTS are ridiculous though, your R-PAL should be your licence to own and carry your handguns to and from the range, gun shop, etc.. Those easterners love their bureaucracy...lol.As a caution to anyone using Canada Post, I offer you the following:
In March of 2014, I sent an envelope via Canada Post. It was sent registered mail. That decision was made to give me three day delivery, tracking ability, a proof of delivery signature, and to allow me to insure the contents. I chose to insure the contents for $500.00.
The next day, the package moved a short distance and it has not been heard of since. Canada Post offered to pay only $100.00. After going through THEIR ombudsman, I am now being offered less than $30.00.
The really amazing part, stated twice in the ombudsman's report, is that Canada Post continues to charge customers for things like registered mail, tracking and proof of delivery insurance. That is especially troubling when one reads the last sentence in the Canada Post Ombudsman's conclusion in my case. That sentence says, "The compensation you are seeking is considered consequential in nature,and based on the Canada Post Corporation Act and the General Terms and Conditions, Canada Post is not liable for any claim arising from the loss, delay or mishandling of anything posted.". That is staight from the horses mouth.
Beware folks, like me, Canada Post will screw you if they fail to do their part. Their take on the loss of my goods is that they changed their system and are having some known glitches. They passed their problems on to me.
Take care and beware.
Wheelgunner
In March of 2014, I sent an envelope via Canada Post. It was sent registered mail. That decision was made to give me three day delivery, tracking ability, a proof of delivery signature, and to allow me to insure the contents. I chose to insure the contents for $500.00.
The next day, the package moved a short distance and it has not been heard of since. Canada Post offered to pay only $100.00. After going through THEIR ombudsman, I am now being offered less than $30.00.
The really amazing part, stated twice in the ombudsman's report, is that Canada Post continues to charge customers for things like registered mail, tracking and proof of delivery insurance. That is especially troubling when one reads the last sentence in the Canada Post Ombudsman's conclusion in my case. That sentence says, "The compensation you are seeking is considered consequential in nature,and based on the Canada Post Corporation Act and the General Terms and Conditions, Canada Post is not liable for any claim arising from the loss, delay or mishandling of anything posted.". That is staight from the horses mouth.
Beware folks, like me, Canada Post will screw you if they fail to do their part. Their take on the loss of my goods is that they changed their system and are having some known glitches. They passed their problems on to me.
Take care and beware.
Wheelgunner
Last edited:
Wonder what the Small Claims court judge would say about them having sold you $500 insurance for loss, then lost the package, then refused to cough up the $500 after.
I would be tempted to start a Small Claims action, serve the Cdn Post employee that accepted your package & sold you the $500 insurance.
I bet the big bad corporation would cough up the $500 pretty quick, then.
-----------
NAA.
Wonder what the Small Claims court judge would say about them having sold you $500 insurance for loss, then lost the package, then refused to cough up the $500 after.
I would be tempted to start a Small Claims action, serve the Cdn Post employee that accepted your package & sold you the $500 insurance.
I bet the big bad corporation would cough up the $500 pretty quick, then.
-----------
NAA.
NAA,
Thanks for your response. I don't want to hijack this post, but I offer the following.
On the advice of my MP's office, I put my complaint through the Canada Post Ombusman. That was a big mistake. Not only did they make matters worse, it is obvious that they are there to aid Canada Post. They are also the last appeal stage.
I have pointed out that this is fraudulent activity to the leaders of our three main political partiies, including the prime minister, my local MP, the minister responsible for Canada Post and the RCMP. The only responses I have received is from my local MP's office and an automated response from the RCMP. Nobody appears to be interested in going after this joke of a crown corporation. I'm still mulling over my options, if any, and informing those that I can of Canada Post's fraudulent insurance practices. They cannot deny them as I have them in writing.
Take Care
Wheelgunner
FYI a package of Safety Officer Certificates entered the Richmond postal sorting section June 26, it exited the Richmond sorting section July 8th and was delivered to my box July 10 without being scanned. The package was sent International Express Post. One wonders how long it would take to go through their sort section if they decided to take their time!
Take Care
Bob
Take Care
Bob
hey guys, i used to work for canada post. their new delievery method will be CMB's, so community mailboxes. if that cannot be delivered there and if it needs a signature or to confirm age or anything, you will get a DNC card, delivery notice card. Their doing that to make things easier for the postal workers.
Parcels have tracking numbers, and the seller should be providing that. It's not unreasonable or difficult to know that your gun is waiting at the post office for pickup.
Every time I've called the CFO to complete a transfer as the buyer, they've asked if I need an sATT to pick up the parcel from the post office. You are required to have one.
That being said, I did buy one pistol from a store, and they said they wouldn't ship it until I called them and said I had the registration in hand. They shipped it without informing, and didn't provide a tracking number. I had no clue it was in the mail. And it was December, I was picking up mail from the post office every other day. They hand me the parcel, I look at the return address, and inside my head I'm just going "crap crap crap crap crap crap"
Every time I've called the CFO to complete a transfer as the buyer, they've asked if I need an sATT to pick up the parcel from the post office. You are required to have one.
That being said, I did buy one pistol from a store, and they said they wouldn't ship it until I called them and said I had the registration in hand. They shipped it without informing, and didn't provide a tracking number. I had no clue it was in the mail. And it was December, I was picking up mail from the post office every other day. They hand me the parcel, I look at the return address, and inside my head I'm just going "crap crap crap crap crap crap"
I had a package delivered today. Yesterday the tracking number said it would be delivered today (16th). This morning it was showing it would be delivered tomorrow (17th) It showed up about an hour ago...luckily i was home to sign or I'd be doing the STATT thing. Just checked and the CP website is still showing delivery for tomorrow!
pisces-guy
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- West Kelowna, B.C.
Well my thread here has been useful in two ways: 1. It's now confirmed for everyone that you need to call your CFO and get a statt before going to pick up the parcel at the post office containing your new restricted gun, some people probably thought a statt wasn't necessary.
2. It's now confirmed that as long as you have your statt when you pick up the parcel, you're legally okay for the drive home from the post office without opening the parcel and securing the gun. Even if you get pulled over and you tell the cop your life story and he asks you to open the parcel, and the store didn't lock up the gun, you can say you had reasonable expectations that a gun shop would lock up the gun in compliance with the law, and still be okay. "Just go straight home"
I had an idea, after my new lazy postie had just left the card and not brought me the parcel, that I would have to call the CFO and get a temporary ATT to go pick up the handgun. The only reason I didn't was that I thought I'd have to open the parcel there, extract the handgun in front of everyone, and then trigger lock it and lock the case I brought with me as the law states. I figured that might generate some drama at the post office/London Drugs and might result in a call to the police. I reasoned that just going in, getting my parcel, and driving straight home at the posted speed would be the least dramatic way to handle it...and really, the chances of an issue occurring were very small. However, next time I will call the CFO and get the statt before I go get the parcel, since I'm not required to open the parcel and perhaps get some bedwetters excited. That way, if by some freak chance I'm involved in a car accident or something on the way home, I'm in compliance with the law. Why not play it safe? Thanks for your replies.
2. It's now confirmed that as long as you have your statt when you pick up the parcel, you're legally okay for the drive home from the post office without opening the parcel and securing the gun. Even if you get pulled over and you tell the cop your life story and he asks you to open the parcel, and the store didn't lock up the gun, you can say you had reasonable expectations that a gun shop would lock up the gun in compliance with the law, and still be okay. "Just go straight home"
I had an idea, after my new lazy postie had just left the card and not brought me the parcel, that I would have to call the CFO and get a temporary ATT to go pick up the handgun. The only reason I didn't was that I thought I'd have to open the parcel there, extract the handgun in front of everyone, and then trigger lock it and lock the case I brought with me as the law states. I figured that might generate some drama at the post office/London Drugs and might result in a call to the police. I reasoned that just going in, getting my parcel, and driving straight home at the posted speed would be the least dramatic way to handle it...and really, the chances of an issue occurring were very small. However, next time I will call the CFO and get the statt before I go get the parcel, since I'm not required to open the parcel and perhaps get some bedwetters excited. That way, if by some freak chance I'm involved in a car accident or something on the way home, I'm in compliance with the law. Why not play it safe? Thanks for your replies.
Before you blast CP (under the assumption you have a restricted firearm with "Do Not Safe Drop" and "Sig req'd", which it should be):
1) Were you home? Was the doorbell rung or did they knock?
2) Did the store/sender write this as "Hold for pickup"? I was getting pissed off when this happened to me a few times, then found out the store requested this
If you do find out it's just your postie's laziness, have a word with your parcel guy and if that doesn't work, call and complain. I do find CP's parcel delivery to be late the past few weeks. I've never had a package lost by CP yet (knock on wood). STATT's shouldn't be necessary if there's someone home to sign for the package and an attempt has been made to deliver it.
Technically, you need a STATT, while the Postie doesn't even need a PAL. There is the unfairness that makes us angry.
no he is right, Canada Post do not have to deliver the package to your home anymore. Here in Quebec they don't bother at all. I called to make a complaint and I was told that they don't have to come to my house if the box doesn't fit in the mail box. They just leave a card in the mailbox and thats it. (my mailbox is 50 meters from my house).
I, myself think that it is absurd. If I order something I want it delivered to my house not to the post office where I can't even get my goods before 6pm when I know it could have been delivered right to my door by 11am.
Post Canada is really getting lazy and don't get me started on delivery time, 50% of the time they don't deliver on time mostly with express post. third time in 2 months it took at least 4 business day. last delivery cost me $200 for a 3 days delivery that took 5 days.
Likely with the new ATT provisions coming, it will all be moot.
They could 'attach' an ATT [all ATT's - no more differentiation between ST-ATT and LT-ATT] to your PAL as a 'condition'. That is to say, if your PAL is 'valid' you 'always' have an ATT to transport for all the reasons you would need to transport [ie to & from local Post Office].
-----------
NAA.
They could 'attach' an ATT [all ATT's - no more differentiation between ST-ATT and LT-ATT] to your PAL as a 'condition'. That is to say, if your PAL is 'valid' you 'always' have an ATT to transport for all the reasons you would need to transport [ie to & from local Post Office].
-----------
NAA.
Actually on the Canada Post website, it says even with with community mailboxes, if it doesn't fit, they are supposed to bring it directly to your residence UNLESS it specifically says "card for pick up" OR if the mailbox is more than 500 metres from the home. Considering that shooting guns at range is my hobby, I can say with certainty my mailbox is NOT half a kilometer away. One time I actually caught the f*cker delivering the notice card to the community mailbox, and I asked if I could just grab the package from him, he told me he didn't even bring it. So I'm paying money to have some guy drive all the way to my street to pretend to deliver a package? Why not just bring the damn thing if you're coming anyways? I don't care about making things easier for the postal workers when they don't even make the bare minimum attempt to do the most basic aspect of their job... delivery of things that I pay to be delivered...
I. Hate. Canada Post.
Canada Post has always been good for me. Had my Glock delivered the other day. No one was home when he came so he left the card in the mail box. When he drove past my place again on his way back to the depot after his delivery run, he saw a vehicle in the driveway and stopped again and viola, I have my Glock. That's pretty good I think. On the other hand, had a buddy who ordered in a new Sako stainless rifle about 3 years ago only to have Canada Post(rifle in Sako marked box) leave it between his front and screen doors. Was supposed to be signed for and to boot he lives in a bad area-lucky it did not get taken.
At Canada post, just like every other business, there are good and bad employees. As a former postie, I can tell you it's a ####e place to work. Sure the older guys with the prime routes work a shorter day, but thats because they have their routes down after so many years they can walk it in their sleep. The new guys without any seniority cover vacation/sick time for the old guys, and it probably takes them twice as long to sort the case, and figure out the route.
I'm not making any excuses for the bad ones, it used to be a good respectable job, but Canada Post is more interested in junk mail than wether you get your parcel on time. Junk mail keeps Canada Post in business, not parcels, not bills. Complain all you like, but unless you are not getting your flyers on time, management doesn't care.
The reality is that your carrier doesn't want to card anything and have to go to the retail outlet (Shoppers) but if he has to go with one carded parcel, he might as well go with 10. Most guys will write out the cards before they leave the plant, it's faster than writing it on your step with a dog chewing on his leg in -40 with a frozen pen.
It's a sinking ship, it will get worse before it gets better, they will be laying off thousands of people over the next 10 yrs.
I'm not making any excuses for the bad ones, it used to be a good respectable job, but Canada Post is more interested in junk mail than wether you get your parcel on time. Junk mail keeps Canada Post in business, not parcels, not bills. Complain all you like, but unless you are not getting your flyers on time, management doesn't care.
The reality is that your carrier doesn't want to card anything and have to go to the retail outlet (Shoppers) but if he has to go with one carded parcel, he might as well go with 10. Most guys will write out the cards before they leave the plant, it's faster than writing it on your step with a dog chewing on his leg in -40 with a frozen pen.
It's a sinking ship, it will get worse before it gets better, they will be laying off thousands of people over the next 10 yrs.
My most recent parcel delivery from Cdn Post
I'm very lucky where I'm at. I checked a tracking number on Thurs am & noted it said "out for delivery". My postal lady usually arrives a tad after 1030 am these days. Sure enough, there was a knock at the front door just around that time.
There she was with parcel in hand & electronic thingy for me to sign for it. All good where I live. And her usual 'holiday replacement' is just as good, too.
------------
NAA.
I'm very lucky where I'm at. I checked a tracking number on Thurs am & noted it said "out for delivery". My postal lady usually arrives a tad after 1030 am these days. Sure enough, there was a knock at the front door just around that time.
There she was with parcel in hand & electronic thingy for me to sign for it. All good where I live. And her usual 'holiday replacement' is just as good, too.
------------
NAA.
