Single Shot 44 Mag Rifle.

I bought a .44 mag H&R single shot and I was hoping it would be a lighter weight rifle. It's a 20 gauge barrel blank with a .44 hole in it. I sold it to a friend with a mountain property and taught him the way of heavy subsonics for deer.
 
The Traditions single shots are made in Spain, probably by CVA, they come ceracoted, fluted Lothar barrels, weigh under 6lbs and have pretty decent triggers. Epps had them a while back and was blowing them out for $300. Decent guns.
 
NB Rifles said:
I had a Henry Big Boy a few years ago but let it go last year, it was a lever action tube feed that I didn't care for. I just want a single shot .44 these days.
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Same story here exactly, NB. I wanted to get a 44mag for close cover, compactness, etc. I ended up buying the Big Boy. I thought it was a nicely made, handsome rifle but it was so frikkin heavy with a scope that I realized I was never going to hunt with it. Sold it and bought a Traditions Outfitter G3 in 44 last spring. Hunted with it this fall with my brother on Deer Island. Turns out it was exactly what I was looking for. Sounds like you’re thinking the same way. I think the CVA Scout or a Handi-rifle would suit you fine. But keep your eye out for an Outfitter as well; I’ve put over a 100 rounds through mine and can vouch for its accuracy and utility.
 
This is my H&R SB2
44 Mag Handi rifle... I made a custom walnut fullstock set for it. It groups 2" @ 100 yards with my reloads.
 

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The Kurgan said:
I am using two smaller adaptors, one for 32 S&W long and the other for 20 gauge. I was thinking about the 9mm and 357 Mag, but have not yet ordered from Chaszel. Their reviews would indicate their inserts are top performers. I would doubt my Huglu is anything but very strong. No pierced primers on any of my 50 once-fired 32 S&W cases.
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The pressure on 32 S&W ( 15,000 PSI) is half that of 9mm ( 35,000 PSI) and 20GA is only 12,000 PSI. So just because you had no issues with 32 S&W doesn't mean that 9mm or 357 will be safe. Why it is best to contact the manufacture or test first. This is Chaszel reply to my Cooey.

HI Robert

I sent your photo off to Chaszel. Here is their comment.

"Good morning, We have not had any issues with 9mm adapters. Looking at the picture it appears that the firing pin is of a very large diameter. That is most likely the problem. Do not use a 357 in that shotgun as the problem will be worse. "
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This is a Comment Ron said.

It is amazing that the brass can imprint on the face but again the large firing pin hole reduces the effective area on the breech face, and brass and iron are similar hardness. I have been using the 20 ga 9mm x 11" in a rossi and have not had these issues. The rossi is a multi barrel arrangement and has a smaller firing pin for the rifle barrel. I also have tried this in a Ricol (turkish) shotgun with some close to max rounds and do not see a mark after wiping off the powder residue.
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Not to go astray here, but with these inserts, doesn't the insert itself handle the pressure of the cartridge, while the firearm itself only sees the bolt-thrust from the cartridge? A 40,000 psi cartridge doesn't hammer the receiver with 40,000 psi, it's whatever the formula for bolt thrust says it is.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
Not to go astray here, but with these inserts, doesn't the insert itself handle the pressure of the cartridge, while the firearm itself only sees the bolt-thrust from the cartridge? A 40,000 psi cartridge doesn't hammer the receiver with 40,000 psi, it's whatever the formula for bolt thrust says it is.
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But like said above, some shotguns have larger firing pins, So you get less breech contact. That will lead to primer blowouts, hot gas coming in your face, indentations and enlarged hole from the hot gases.

Here is a visible difference. Left is a Cooey 840 ( different than the one I destroyed ) and Right my H&R SB1

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conor_90 said:
Isn’t bolt thrust on hinge pin break open design shotguns exactly what you would be concerned about?
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Shotguns are generally lower pressure and the shell has a greater contact area with the breech VS the higher pressure smaller rim of a 9mm or 357.

Take the Cooey 840 for example. The firing pin hole is 0.1215" a small pistol primer is only 0.1755". Plus sometimes lock up isn't perfect. So the primer strike isn't centered and catches the edge. You can get breech erosion. Also sometimes the Adapter will get stuck in the chamber, so it doesn't spring back against the breech. So it allows the round to slap back more. That is what happened with receiver #1.

So as said not all shotguns are suited for adapters.
 
Yep, that’s what I’m getting at

I would be hesitant to use any product that suggests self proofing in a vice with a piece of string on its official website, even if the reviews are good. I know we all love Turkish shotguns ( :dancingbanana: ) but during my short time at a gun counter I witnessed hinge pin failures and other issues with the crack barrel models that would make me reticent to try this.

Seems like a solution looking for a problem with single shot rifles on the market. Sights etc would just add more cost for what is almost certainly an inferior product
 
conor_90 said:
Yep, that’s what I’m getting at

I would be hesitant to use any product that suggests self proofing in a vice with a piece of string on its official website, even if the reviews are good. I know we all love Turkish shotguns ( :dancingbanana: ) but during my short time at a gun counter I witnessed hinge pin failures and other issues with the crack barrel models that would make me reticent to try this.

Seems like a solution looking for a problem with single shot rifles on the market. Sights etc would just add more cost for what is almost certainly an inferior product
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Well they're American. Gotta cross their Ts and dot their Is. Reason why they say that. The company makes adapter in rifle calibers. So you'll have some darwin trying to use them in their grandfathers old wall hanger.

Why I searched hard for a SB1 frame shotgun. At least it be good for pistol calibers.
 
i have 3 cva scouts, 6.5 creedmoor compact, 44 mag compact and 35 whelen, zero issues, only complaint is it only has an extractor and no ejector
 
Henry’s are worth what they’re asking for them, even at today’s prices

I wish they would start bringing them out in one off runs of more exotic calibers like the ruger no 1

Love my 12 gauge Henry single
 
I had a CVA Handi-Rifle in .223.

Pros:
  • Compact design, and nice looking with the wooden stock.

Cons:

  • Too damn heavy for it's size
  • Very nasty trigger, not adjustable
  • No iron sights
  • Weak ejector; steel cased ammo with laquour coating would stick in the chamber after firing.
  • Even with a good proven scope, accuracy was on par with a Mini-14; shotgun like patterns at 100 yards.
  • Need tools to remove barrel and fore-end.
    [*}Did I mention, it was f***ing heavy?

Hopefully Henry has learned from their mistakes.
 
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