Sizing Question. Undersized?

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So I was sizing some ivi 308 brass into 7-08, I set my dies so they would size to to headspace minus .001 ( hs= 1.630. So desired brass size 1.629 ) Problem is most came out as the dies where set, but some came out being undersized .004+( 1.625-1.623)
So my question is how undersized is ok to use?

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uncledillers

I have seen brand new .243 Winchester cases .011 shorter than my chamber and had your same problem sizing once fired military 7.62 NATO cases to .243.

With the brand new .243 cases .011 shorter than the chamber I seated the bullets long and jammed them into the rifling. This held the cases against the bolt face and I had no thinning or stretching when fire formed.

With the military 7.62 cases sized down if you look closely the newly formed shoulder area will be humped or bulged. Meaning your cases are slightly longer than what you measured at the datum point.

If you look a a SAAMI cartridge and chamber drawing it lists headspace as min and max with .010 in between. And GO and NO-GO gauges have .003 between them and are used to setup new rifles.

With a .303 British Enfield at max military headspace of .074 and a rim thickness of .058 you will have .016 head clearance.

Go ahead and shoot them, .004 shorter than the chamber is nothing, when fired they will form to the chamber and fill out the case shoulder. After this fire forming check their headspace length and they should be more uniform after full length resizing.

As with any reloaded cartridge check the cases with a bent paper clip and check for thinning in the base web area.

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Look at the center case above and how much the primer is protruding, this was the actual head clearance and the extractor kept the case from moving further forward. So again .004 head clearance is nothing and the case shoulders will fill out when fired.

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From experience, "head clearance" as defined above, starts to become an issue at about 0.012" in a 308 (7mm-08). A lot depends on the action stiffness as well. A Savage 99, in 308 Win, will not tolerate as much "head clearance" as a Savage 12. The Savage 99 is a bit more "springy" than a bolt action rifle. In the Savage 12, @ 0.008", most cases will come out properly fire formed, some will not. I was using 1F that may have been "many"F, and they were not fired in my rifle.

Remember the rule, "only use brass that was fired in the rifle you are reloading for". Some view it as a guideline, others ignore it. In your situation, you are reforming so you are OK, if you are comparing the reformed case to a 7mm-08 that has been fired in your rifle.

The phenomenon you describe occurs because the original shoulder is being pushed back by reformed neck, not the die. The same thing can occur if you crimp too much, either the neck bulges of the shoulder gets pushed back a bit.

Another critical dimension to check is neck diameter of your loaded ammunition. The necks may need to be turned, reduced in thickness.

Reformed brass, even when going from 308 > 7mm-08, may need to be fireformed with a somewhat reduced load first, then FL sized again.

Because you are using IVI brass, I'd advise against using it as a candidate for reforming in the first place, and further I wouldn't use it for reloading the necked down version. It seems to do better when necked up to 338 Federal or 358 Winchester.

Quite a few people will tell you otherwise, and I've gotten away with doing it, and I've been caught and punished for it as well.

IMHO, Lapua brass is the cheapest and best way to go, next would be factory ammo that has been fired in your rifle. Other brands of new brass will work, just expect to have more culls when weight sorting.

7mm-08 ammo is still produced, readily available, as is new brass.

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