Skeet Lessons: Session 2

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I've decided to take the plunge again and take another set of skeet lessons.

This time around the instructor will be Todd Bender, one of the world's best at teaching skeet.

This time around I'll be focusing on doubles (presumably stations 3,4,5). Station 4 doubles have cost me a bunch of prize money over the last year, so I'm eager to get some help.

Last time around went very well. Craig Kirkman was the instructor, and the style he taught worked extremely well for me. The lessons were in late August (a little late in the year to have much of an impact), and the following season I finished with a AAA classification in all events.

I'm not expecting such the same magnitude of improvement this time around (which would probably be physically impossible), but would really like some help getting back into form.

I'll take notes, and like last time, I'll see if I can't summarize back here how things go.

Brad.
 
This is unfortunately a one time event. It has been planned for at least 6 months. If you aren't able to get the help you need at your home club, I can think of two people who may be giving lessons. Bill Rogers in Hemmingford Quebec, and I believe Ric Sheridan at Oshawa are doing this.

I would highly recommend lessons to new shooters. It sets your basics right, and stops you from practicing your mistakes
 
The Report.

We got started at 8:30. There were 4 shooters taking lessons. We started with the basic introductions. I've met Todd before, so I wasn't particularly 'awe struck' to be there. Todd wanted the basic information;

-where are you at with your game now
-where are you having problems
-what do you hope to get out of the lessons

It was already predefined as a doubles lesson, so that was the topic that most focused on. I've been bouncing mostly between AA and AAA with the odd total meltdown thrown in every now and then. Station 4 shoot off doubles have been costing me a lot of money over the last year. I was pretty happy with everything else. I hoped to get some serious station 4 help.

I also had to mention that I had taken lessons with another instructor, and that my style was very different than what Todd taught.

From there we went to a basic gun fit session. That involved mounting the gun and ensuring everything was lined up properly. Some shooters had tape applied to their 'weak' eye (I've used a dot on my glasses since I started).

Next up Todd wanted to watch us shoot a regular round of skeet, with the addition of doubles at 3,4,5. I had the distinct disadvantage of having never shot at the Kirkfield club prior to that moment. I got all of the regular skeet targets, but jumped 2 of the pairs costing me a bird each time (not really a bad thing as that is why I was there).

I've spent about 6 weeks trying to tune my doubles. I thought I made a fair amount of progress with it as I was averaging mid to upper 90s.

I fully expected to hear from Todd that he didn't particularly care for my style (I hold too high) but that only required minor tweaks (maybe a new set of hold points)

Instead of that however, I was told I had some serious flaws in my game.

1) I was swinging with my arms too much, rather than pivoting around my knees)

2) I was breaking the first bird too early, and continuing my swing past the centre stake before coming back for the second bird.

3) I was told I hold too high (I earned a AAA pin holding high, so that is something we agreed to disagree on).

I was totally not expecting points 1 and 2, and somewhat in disbelief.

I decided to play along anyway and investigate why Todd thought I had problems.

Todd gave us his typical 'this is how you shoot doubles' speach.... the same one from his DVD. After a bit of talking we got on to the shooting.

We started at Station 3. It's a pretty simple pair as long as you hit the high bird in about the right spot. It didn't take too long though before I rode a high one a little too far, and had the second bird get past me. I corrected by swing my arms at it (rather than moving my whole body). I didn't know I was doing it, but it was quite bluntly pointed out to me.

It was a feeling that I recognized, but didn't realize until that second that was what I was doing, and doing it fairly often. Hmm... maybe this guy actually knows what he's talking about.

With 4 shooters taking lessons, I shortly had to swap out and let the others have a shot. At that point I started taking notes, and unfortunately (sort of) it was documenting things I have been doing wrong.

From station 3, we moved over to station 5 (as they are very similar pairs). Again I found myself getting beat on the second bird and swinging my arms to compensate (again a very familiar feeling once pointed out).

So I had identified a problem I had to fix. Part of the fix involves avoiding that particular move. The more important fix however was avoiding the situation where I'd get beat on the second bird and have to 'throw the gun' to that bird.

.............
On that note I have to call it a night and feed the baby.... I'll try and finish off tomorrow.


Brad.
 
Flaw (those specific misses) Cause ( technique ) & Correction (change) are the basic tenets upon which English shooting coaching has been based over the years - and which have been largely adopted by North American shooting coaches - a phenomenon which has blossomed over the past couple of decades. Whether they recognize and call it that or not, that is what they're doing.

In the 70's you were lucky to find any kind of book or 8mm movie to help you learn how to shoot, or indeed fortunate if you could get to a clinic or instruction/lessons run by Ed Scherer, Dan Carlisle, Kay Ohje, or Barney Hartman or the like. Today there's any number of learning aids, books, videos, DVD's, shooting schools, clinics and programs out there ... we really are a nation of seminar junkies it seems !

Too often, we reach a bit of a plateau in our shooting ... whatever that level happens to be ... and we get "stuck" there in the shark tank for a while. To move on, it's almost always some kind of fault or flaw in technique (given we've got a gun that fits properly and we can hit most of the targets we shoot at) that needs to be changed ... the cause of that flaw, moreover, is something we as individuals can rarely identify by ourselves !

Give Mr. Bender the benefit of the doubt - Lord knows he's won a pile of shoot-offs from 3,4 & 5 as has Wayne Mayes and a few others - we know who they are. I'm sure he has seen exactly what you are doing (or not doing) many, many times in his sessions, both with less and more accomplished shooters.

What he's relayed to you seems a pretty reaonable assessment. If you really want to prove it, try shooting some International Skeet doubles from 3, 4 & 5 ... I bet your particular problems will be magnified considerably.

While working on improvement, don't be surprised if your scores drop a little for a while ... only until you can affect the change in technique required at a sub-conscious level to consistantly break those targets will the change & effect be noticeable. ( Remember all those things you had to consciously "think about" when you first started shooting Skeet - that you now "do" without even seeming to think about them - gun hold, foot position, hold point, breaking point, follow through, etc. ? )

Best of luck with the next few practice sessions ! Hope you can achieve a break through !
 
Part 2

So when I left off, I was on Station 5 realizing I was in trouble. I was exhibiting rather poor form in order to compensate for being beat on the second bird. Even worse, this was on the 'easy' stations.

So the question I had to answer is why was I getting beat on the second bird. Fortunately I had someone watching me, who was only too eager to tell me what I was doing wrong. Anyone who has watched me shoot will tell you that I have an exaggerated follow through, and that I shoot the first bird early. When shooting doubles, to compensate the early first shot, I need to continue swinging until nearly the centre stake and then swing back into the second bird.

The combination of the follow through and the quick first shot was essentially causing me grief. I was swinging too far, so far that the second bird was passing me and forcing me to quickly catch up. Typically I would do this using the 'throw the gun' trick.

So fair enough, problem identified. Now for the hard part, trying to fix it.

For me, Skeet is a game of repetition. When I get on the station to shoot, I set my feet, find my hold spot and call for the birds. I am not thinking about lead. I am not thinking about where to break the birds. If all is well, I AM NOT THINKING AT ALL.

It was suggested that if I broke the birds later, that I could avoid the lengthy follow-through, keep the second bird in front of me without a ridiculous move involving moving the gun with my arms.

This was well and fine, but, it involved thinking. I had to find a way to break the bird later. This turned out to be very difficult for me. Once I broke the bird, I had to change my move to the second bird causing me to think again. If I found that I was not in front of the second bird, I had to take an extra moment to swing my body to get in front of the bird before pulling the trigger... more thinking.

To say I struggled with this would be an understatement. I felt and absolutely shot like a D class shooter. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I'd shoot the first bird too early, and get caught with a dead gun (I balked a few times on the second bird as a result). I got caught swinging my arms a few times. I got caught following through too far. Trying to think about 3 different things instead of 0 was causing me lots of grief.

After I finished embarrassing myself on 5 I was back to my notebook writing down things I was doing wrong, and some possible suggested solutions.

After we were done with the easy stations (3 and 5) we went to the hard one, and the real reason for my attending the clinic, station 4.

My problems from 3 and 5 were even more apparent at 4. The solutions were the same. Break the first bird later, and follow through less. I struggled even more.

I worked pretty hard to stop moving my arms. Several pairs later I got to the point where I was getting able to do that without thinking about it (very desirable). I had about a 90% success rate with that, failing only when I got seriously beat.

I continued to have problems breaking the first bird too early. I finally made a significant change to my hold point, bringing it about half way between the house and the centre stake. This helped a lot. After much struggling I started to have some limited success.

We started to move as a group between 3, 4 and 5 to start putting what we've learned into practice. Essentially we had been taught everything that we could be taught, and the rest was just implementation.

My struggles continued as there was still too much thinking required at each station, often resulting in forgetting something. Even with the new hold point I was ofted swinging too far after the first bird.

Things finally started to click at stations 3 and 5. I was finally able to automate the new steps and moves (reduce thinking again). I didn't make as much progress at station 4 as I would have liked, but the groundwork has been set.

To change things up, we went back to stations 2 and 6 (just to ensure we didn't screw anything else up by making changes up top). Sure enough, I missed the second bird on 2 (shooting about 15 feet in front). This was pretty standard with the entire group (there was a pretty significant timing change). Fortunately this just required a minor adjustment and no additional thinking.

Essentially we shot until we were too tired to continue. I shot 16 boxes to get to this point. I would like to say that I finished with a straght round of 3,4,5 doubles, but that wasn't the case. Fatigue really took over. Shooting any more would not produce any more results that day.

I finished the day as follows;

-Identified a few major flaws in my doubles game
-Solutions for the major flaws in my doubles game
-New (lower) hold points for doubles at 3, 4H, 4L and 5
-relative success at 3 and 5
-6 or so pages of notes of things I am doing wrong, things to do to correct the problems and tips of things that were working.

Things identified to work on.
-Need to work on getting better breaks once I start getting timing solid.
-Station 4 in general.
-making sure I don't slip back into my old habits.

Essentially, I indeed bought into Todd's analysis of my game. His solutions are dead on. It is going to take a lot of work on my part to fix it. It is going to take even more work than I had to put into my singles game.

After the lessons were done, we had the required 'bull session' where we shared stories, but as you might expect mostly listened to stories Todd had to tell.

All told, it was a very worth while experience. I don't get to have expert analysis of my game done very often. I am very eager to get back out onto the field and work on things. The test will be in about two weeks at the Ontario Skeet Championships in Oshawa.

Brad.
 
beretta boy said:
Give Mr. Bender the benefit of the doubt - Lord knows he's won a pile of shoot-offs from 3,4 & 5 as has Wayne Mayes and a few others - we know who they are. I'm sure he has seen exactly what you are doing (or not doing) many, many times in his sessions, both with less and more accomplished shooters.
Oh absolutely. I cut my first part off before I could clarify that I bought into his analysis 100%. Todd told stories of watching shooters in his shootoffs, and knowing after only a few stations who would be around for the 2nd round of doubles. I think he actually used my old form as an example of someone who wouldn't be.....


beretta boy said:
What he's relayed to you seems a pretty reaonable assessment. If you really want to prove it, try shooting some International Skeet doubles from 3, 4 & 5 ... I bet your particular problems will be magnified considerably.

Yup. International doubles would be pretty interesting to try.

beretta boy said:
While working on improvement, don't be surprised if your scores drop a little for a while ... only until you can affect the change in technique required at a sub-conscious level to consistantly break those targets will the change & effect be noticeable. ( Remember all those things you had to consciously "think about" when you first started shooting Skeet - that you now "do" without even seeming to think about them - gun hold, foot position, hold point, breaking point, follow through, etc. ? )
Yes, I've been through that before. Last time around, my scores didn't take too much of a hit, as the things I implemented worked very well for me.

I'm hoping that 2 weeks will be enough time to get over that hump.

beretta boy said:
Best of luck with the next few practice sessions ! Hope you can achieve a break through !

Thanks B.B. much appreciated.

Brad.
 
Brad,

Good report and I agree with your whole description of the day. For the rest of you, I was also in the class with Brad.

Man, if Brad was shooting like a D-Class shooter, I was about S-Class (not a Mercedes either). To be honest, I was getting quite frustrated with my inabilities to hit the targets. I was taking solace in the fact that I was learning "what" to do, mostly shifting the eyes across the barrel to pick up the second target.

Well, I managed to make it back out to Frank's yesterday afternoon and was practicing. It was all coming together. Not perfect, but pretty darn good. In other words, for me, a lot of the information sunk in.

Brad, I am pretty sure you are going to be a force to be reckoned with in a couple of weeks. See you in Oshawa.
 
You're both on the right track ...

Recognizing the need for change and committing to it is a very big part
of the road to improvement. The practice to accomplish it (and build enough
mental "muscle memory" in the process - to do it sub-consciouly without the need for "thinking about it) can be and usually is, a little daunting at first, but that hard road is invariably worth it.

Your attitude and commitment I'm sure will get you there with some focussed practice. Just "knowing how not to beat yourself" on shoot-off doubles is a major step to mastering the techniques & the confidence of eagerly looking forward to them !

Best regards to you both !
 
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